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  • Oct 20

    Whoever fired you, with no chance for you to be on some sort of improvement plan, no chance to give input or rebuttal or anything - perhaps they will fall afoul of this vicious individual and find themselves fired.

    Is there anyone at all you can speak to? DON, CNO, Hospital President, Chaplain's boss (someone hired her, someone can tame her or fire her), HR Director, anyone?

    Talk about bullying. I am sick of this word. It is overused. Not saying it doesn't happen, just I am sick of it.

    Never accept a patient with family like this chaplain if you can help it. You should not have taken the patient, given that you knew this miserable individual did not want you caring for her child. Don't do it again.

    It seems the monitor should have a record of what settings the alarms were on. Can you check with the people who maintain these monitors?

    Is there a camera that shows you going into or out of the room at a certain time?

    Can other staff (techs, aides) vouch for you?

    The patient suffered no harm, I am assuming. How far will the bosses let this woman go in maltreating staff? Who is she sleeping with, who is she related to, follow the money to figure out why she is so damned powerful. Sorry to be crude. It just makes me mad that she can tear your life apart and disrupt the whole ward with her apparently unfounded complaints.

    I guess she's scared for the child's well-being, but this is over the top (to fire you if you had absolutely no c/o against no and had perfectly great reviews).

    How long were you an employee at this place?

    I do wish you well.

  • Oct 20

    Quote from RiskManager
    As I posted on another similar thread. There is no coverage under your malpractice policy for you being fired.

    Going back to the OP, I am amazed at the number of responses to workplace complaint issues to 'call your malpractice insurer'. The malpractice insurer does not care about this since they do not cover you for your workplace complaints or conflicts. They are not going to keep a record of your call nor are they going to open a file unless you are calling to report something that will trigger your coverage, and I have spoken extensively here about events that will trigger your coverage.
    They might very well keep a record of her calls. I would not call them unless threatened by circumstances that the insurer covers.

    They might decide to not insure her any longer if she calls them about things like this.

  • Oct 20

    Don't assume the nurses aren't doing much. Appearances can be deceiving.

  • Oct 20

    Don't assume the nurses aren't doing much. Appearances can be deceiving.

  • Oct 20

    Don't assume the nurses aren't doing much. Appearances can be deceiving.

  • Oct 14

    [QUOTE=Libby1987;9194175]The only low stress high paying nursing jobs out there are filled by people not carrying their weight. They simply don't exist. Every nursing position has a productivity expectation.

    I am trying to undertand the logic of saying that people who need low stress and good pay are not pulling their load. To me, the two don't necessarily go together.

  • Oct 13

    Quote from morte
    Elk, the inference on the the meds for the new patient, was to borrow, them. the charge just did not want to bother.

    You are so right on, Morge.

    And borrowing is illegal, I believe, per CMS and probably other laws, right? So right that Charge didn't want to be bothered.

    Once a Supervisor told me that she couldn't get me an Albuterol Inhaler from the Night Locker because it wasn't in there. I knew better. I told her which drawer it was in and reminded her that, as an emergency med, as a rescue inhaler, it was definitely there. I was going to have to send the pt to the ER if she couldn't get one. She didn't even look. So, yes, those in charge can be very wrong, very lazy.

  • Oct 11

    Quote from Buyer beware
    Broaching the subject of suicide is troubling for most people for many reasons that make human beings uncomfortable. Dealing with this issue requires a certain amount of self reflection that interferes with a younger person's delusional thinking they are going to live forever and an older person's ruminations over when non-existence will catch up to them.
    I have asked a nurse I know if in her memory, over a forty year nursing career, she could remember any nurses that she knew of who committed suicide. She said no. I could not recall any nurses in my experience committing suicide either. Together we have seventy years behind the stick.
    So how definitive is this anecdotal information in coming to scientific conclusions. Obviously not good enough to bet the farm. But it does make you wonder if our present methods of identifying and tabulating just who committed suicide, or not, are as valid as we'd like them to be. For instance, can we definitely say that "shot to death by cop" or "hit by the railroad tracks" or "a car" or "drowned" or the almost innumerable other medically defined causes of death are not actually suicides and should be reported as such? So how is all this relevant to us in a broader sense?
    We all know that the media will report that in a person's peculiar demise there was a suspicion of suicide. But unless the motive and means can be definitively uncovered, who knows?
    If you think about how many people, both young and old, with chronic and debilitating conditions who stop taking their meds or refuse to hydrate or eat, the numbers are staggering. Nurses readmit tons of the folks every day. Indeed many physicians build their practices around "measured suicide" euphemistically referred to as non-compliance.
    So in a sort demented way, many of the jobs in health care depend on this status quo perpetuating itself.
    As such, for want of a more exact way to detect people who may be in intrapsychic extremis which may precipitate their premature demise, I have to take statistics with a grain of salt when it comes to the true quantification of this world-wide epidemic.
    My condolences to the family of this young colleague. I'm older but still not disillusioned enough to not want to believe that a kind word of understanding or "I love you" may not have made a difference.
    Is it suicide to decide you have been in enough pain for long enough? Or is it good sense? Seems to depend somewhat on what state you're in.

    And I thank you for your last sentence.

    Instead of more like this, we have some people here on AN who tell someone who seems to be in intrapsychic extremis that they think he or she is a troll, they say, quite brusquely and with no expression of concern, and with no finesse that the person should get off of AN and go get a counselor, or they're going to make popcorn and enjoy the show. I think that is very cruel. Such remarks, such approaches (the harsh brush-off) could push someone over the edge.

    Even if we think we rule, let's try to be nice and not be the straw that broke anyone's back. Please.

  • Oct 10

    Quote from Esme12
    I am so sorry you are frustrated and you are probably are not going to like what I have to say.
    Scheduling is a nightmare no matter how you slice it. As a manager it was my one single nemesis. Here is the deal. Just because you were "Hired for Days" does not mean you will only work days. Most nurses do not work for union facilities that have scheduling as a part of a written contract. I am willing to bet that if you look at your personnel booklet, paperwork, or online policies that will state that there are no real "permanent" shifts and scheduling will be done for unit needs and is up to the mangers discretion/seniority.

    I am so sorry you are so upset. Unfortunately, most managers try to be careful of staff requests but it is impossible to make everyone happy. Whether one has a child or not has no bearing on the schedule, per se, as people without children also have scheduling preferences.

    My suggestion to you, as a new nurse entering a lifetime of shift work and missing holidays, need to find out what is acceptable for you and approach your manager in a calm professional manner and present your situation and work out the schedule the best you can. There is no labor law that limits nurses to only one shift. It is common to have to rotate 2 shifts in one week. That is why I worked straight nights.

    Ask for what you need in a calm professional manner. Check the personnel scheduling policy first. I wish you the best.

    Agreed. When hired for a Day/Night shift, I switched to straight 3-11 instead. I didn't see how I could possibly thrive or even survive on a ridiculous D/N shift.

    Unless one is a natural night owl or doesn't need much sleep, I think a straight shift is the best.

  • Oct 10

    Quote from Sour Lemon
    Whether or not you have kids or they have kids doesn't matter. Is there a seniority component to this issue?
    Kids and seniority are not the only issues. Fairness matters, lying matters.

    And the OP learning to say NO matters.

    OP, it sounds like your boss lied to you, manipulated you, conned you. I wasn't there, so can't truly say who said what, was there misunderstanding, misrepresentation, what?

    But you can start by telling your boss that you need to either not work 7p to 7a on Monday if you are expected back on Wednesday at 7a or that you will work every Monday night if you can come back for 7a on Thursday or Friday. Tell her what you told us - that you are disoriented and feel ill. Leave the having kids issue out of it.

    Also, unless you need the money, do not pick up extra shifts. The boss seems to be using you because you are easy. Learn to just stop answering the phone, which should have caller ID and an answering machine. Change your numbers if you have to.

    Good luck.

  • Oct 8

    Quote from CrunchRN
    She did not have coping skills period. Any new job is difficult and may have had the same result. It is really sad.
    Of course, some people could have made some rude, hurtful remarks or treated her unsupportively. Kind of like here when meanmaryjane told Spouse she was going to make popcorn when Spouse was distraught about his marriage.

    We might think we know when someone is trolling here or we might think a person needs professional counseling (and he or she might). But we don't know 100% for sure here on a Board.

    It's usually wiser, kinder to be nice, even at the price of feeling foolish or thinking that you're being taken for a ride.

    There is a nice way to tell somebody to drop dead.

  • Oct 8

    Quote from TuesdaysChild
    Although it seems uncomfortable, it's probably best to talk to her privately about it. The overwhelming majority of personal interaction conflicts can be avoided by simply communicating or else things are left unsaid and stay weird on the surface while festering underneath. Straightforward is best. Let her know that you feel your actions may have given a bad first impression and it's important that you get off on the right foot with your new coworkers, and also that it's likely it may happen again in the future on occasion because you get busy in your mind and you've always been that way (I'm guessing you're an introvert). Ask her if there's anything you can do to assure her you intend to have a good relationship with her. For the time being I would say don't grovel, but do be humble and sincere. She's got the upper hand as far as established relationships with all your coworkers right now, and that can turn into a mess really quick. If she says y'all are fine now, act accordingly. Don't continue acting as though there's really an unspoken rift between you because then it will be true.
    This is good advice.
    I understand getting lost in your own thoughts. Some of us are just like that and it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
    Some people are more verbal than others, some are shy. Others will often, in my own experience, interpret this as being unfriendly or "stuck up".

    I hope you can learn to be less in your own head, learn to think out loud so people know what you're thinking, because I think you could face some big messes from people who are as touchy as the EVS worker. At least, she straight out asked you what was going on. Be very careful to never give her a negative impression again. Although she might be someone who will always see evil where there really isn't any.

    I worked with a nurse who was the only nurse who tried to make sure that aides were out on the ward with the patients, not off the floor except for their meal break, not in the break room, not hiding in the supply or linen closets or the dining room after it was closed, not taking up the computers for googling and social media. The nurse happened to be Caucasian and the techs were all African Americans. The other nurses never tried to get the aides to do right. The white nurse was accused of racism. No matter how he explained his thinking, no matter how nice he was (and he was nice), his goose was cooked.

    I wish you the best. Do what you can to clear up misunderstandings and ASSumptions on the part of these touchy coworkers.

  • Oct 7

    Quote from Rikki's Number
    This type of stuff is funny?
    When they are rude or arrogant toward you, when they embarrass you in front of other people, when they are anything but nice to you or other staff, YES!!!!!!!

  • Oct 6

    Quote from caliotter3
    Since the schedule changeup is so unacceptable to you, simply time to look for another job.
    Sure, just walk away. Quit. No wonder our salaries are dropping and our benefits get cut. Just take my marbles and go home.

    Has no one got the gumption to work things out, discuss, stand up for ourselves? Are we just a bunch of losers who quit all the time?

    Move onto something better, yes. Throw away pensions, seniority ( I know this doesn't apply to OP), etc. NO.

  • Oct 6

    Quote from KHVILLE
    It has nothing to do with seniority. Having a child does matter actually. Nurses without children do not have to worry about childcare and should be available to work any given night. I was hired for day shift and am being assigned a Monday night shift because of "preference" and not necessity.
    Childless nurses might be caring for grandkids, nieces and nephews, younger siblings.

    And even if they aren't, they have many other interests and obligations. You are the one who decided to have a child. No one, I assume, forced you to do that.

    And there are lots of childless nurses who wish they did have childcare issues. It would mean they have a child. Maybe they have been unable to have kids, maybe their kids died or were killed or stolen. Kids are an awfully sensitive issue.

    Leave this issue out of your discussions with your boss and coworkers when it somes to scheduling, unless you are saying you can't get a babysitter on Monday nights.

    Those with children often seem to think they deserve holidays off, especially Christmas. In the world of work, in Nursing and other fields that are 24/7, this just isn't so. I can see seniority being an issue, but not necessarily that someone deserves to be off because they have kids.

    If this is really an issue, consider working in a type of Nursing that is daytime only, like school nursing, clinic or MD office nursing, maybe education, there must be a couple of others.

    Good luck.