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  • May 25

    Quote from rnpeds13
    Again, I apologize for the misinterpretation of the my reference to the poem.
    Of course my situation is nothing like Holocaust survivors, that's simply ridiculous not to mention deplorable.
    Please understand that I was referring to the general/broader message as I read it-
    that if you wait for wrong doing to become personal before you speak up then you will find yourself all alone with no one to stand up or speak up for you.

    That's all I meant by posting the poem.

    Your right, you do not know me and your assumptions about my motives as well as my character couldn't be further from the truth.

    I don't seek revenge, that's not in my nature just as neither is seeking or creating Drama.
    I experienced a wrong doing, I stood up and fought. I lost. Instead of getting back up again for round 3, I opted to step down for personal reasons including self care.
    In hindsight now that I see the same wrong doing happening to another, I feel terrible that I didn't fight harder and stay, but I can't do anything About that except try to see if I can be of support from where I am now.

    I mistakenly thought I could come here to the nurses forum and get some advice from fellow nurses.

    Thank you for your thoughts
    Sometimes you can get advice without judgment here. Don't throw in the towel.

  • May 25

    Quote from rnpeds13
    It not my friends "problems", its harassment and intimidation by Management.


    Famous Holocaust Poem:

    First They Came for the Jews
    by Martin Niemöller

    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.
    This is admirable and true.

    I admire your desire to help your friend, but wonder if it is a realistic goal. Does your friend even want help?
    What do you think you can do, especially without a lawyer? Do you not need to find work/income?
    Why didn't you get a lawyer?
    I really have to wonder again - does your friend even want help?
    What is your friend doing for herself?
    What is your plan of action to help the friend?

    Best wishes. Hopefully, you will find that you have lost a lot but still landed on your feet.

  • May 25

    Roll out. We're going to roll out, we did roll out, we are rolling out whatever it is. I just hate it. I thought it would have gone away by now but I still see it/hear it from time to time.

    Enemas for everyone who says it!

  • May 25

    Quote from meanmaryjean
    The Holocaust reference is COMPLETELY out of line in this discussion. And you really should be ashamed to bring it into the discussion.

    You voluntarily resigned from a job and now (as an ex-employee) feel like you will be able to effect some type of change. In a place you no longer work.

    And- if anyone is not 'standing together' is it YOU, as you quit.
    The Holocaust by the Nazis was, of course, horrific.
    It is not the only holocaust down through history, though.
    We seem to never talk or think about the many brutal, evil regimes that have existed throughout the history of humankind. They are legion. Slavery in America, the Caribbean, and Europe comes to mind. What about the British treatment of natives in their colonies, such as India?
    And the Dutch (I think) in South Africa?
    What about Native Americans in Canada, the US, South and Central America?
    Some of us might see abortion on demand as a holocaust.
    The Nazi Holocaust is far from the only one.
    And OP need not be ashamed to bring it up.

    She resigned because she just could not take the hate and maltreatment any more. Let her see an attorney or 2 or 3 and see what she might be able to do.

    A lot of us here know how it feels to be on the receiving end of evil employers and I admire her for wanting to help her friend. I don't necessarily think it will go well, but you never know.

  • May 25

    Quote from NedRN
    I get that perhaps you were just venting and looking for validation and did not appreciate what might appear to be "blaming the victim" response you got from me. I was attempting to provide constructive advice but you clearly didn't hear it. Probably wasting my time but here are some more thoughts for you.

    If you had a problem with a strong personality at work and needed help on dealing with that person, my response would have been very different. What you actually stated is that you could not deal with an entire class of people at work describing them as "extremely rude and lazy". You complained about their behavior to the manager versus asking for advice on how to manage the situation. You may have complained/gossiped to staff nurses as well which could have gotten back to the aides as well. You feel free to label people and call them names (demonstrated by calling me names as well).

    By the way, how on earth are the staff nurses dealing with extremely rude and lazy aides without quitting?

    Think about how you might react if people treated you like that. You would probably avoid them right? That is likely what these aides are doing with you. At the moment, both your posts make you sound like a terrifying employee from a manager's perspective. Three weeks to go? You may have been lucky to have made it this far.

    So yes, I think it is likely you are the problem here. I gave you some advice that is really more future oriented than this one assignment. It is unlikely your situation will improve in the next three weeks no matter what you do, but you have a chance every three months as a traveler to have a fresh start.

    I will add one other thought should you decide to so some self examination versus "the world and Ned is against me". Are you of the same socioeconomic class and/or ethnicity as these aides? There could be a vast culture gap that prevents you from understanding and communicating with them effectively and vice versa. Until you make the attempt to understand them, problems will continue. Most of us get raised in a monoculture and don't really become exposed to other cultures, particularly as it relates to work, until we become working adults. Thus culture clash is common and can be huge. I say that with personal experience of discovering certain classes to not have my own work ethic and having to deal with it. You have to learn new communication skills and what they need from you to earn their respect.
    Of course God forbid that the aides should actually do their work.

    Do you see any possibility that OP is not in the wrong? That the aides really are rude and lazy?

  • May 25

    Quote from NedRN
    Be happy you have aides. My suspicion is they all have friends. Thus their rudeness is your inability to relate, communicate, and manage effectively. Perhaps you think you know everything with 2 years of experience yourself. If you instead think 'what could I have done differently, or how I can communicate better, versus what's wrong with these people', you will have fewer of these problems. It is not easy, but far, far easier to change your own behavior than others. If you model best practices and behaviors, others around you will respond positively.
    What planet are you on? People will respond positively if she models best practices? Like letting the aides walk all over her?

  • May 24

    Quote from WineRN
    I sent a kindergartner home yesterday who's lungs sounded like bagpipes with how much she was wheezing. It took 3 hours for someone to actually answer the phone and get her.

    Today she comes into my office with her uncle's inhaler. When I asked if they went to the doctor, she said, "no mom said to just use this whenever I cough". Thankfully she had no idea how to use it and that's why she brought it to me. Lungs still sound awful, cough is still awful.

    I call mom again who gets mad at ME for refusing to give her daughter the inhaler and kept repeating "She needs it to breathe, what don't you understand about that?!".

    Finally I explained that I have a standing order for a neb that I can use if her cough continues, and mom mentions how they did a breathing treatment this morning. When I asked her if the student has seen the doctor recently, mom tell me no, it is actually for her but figured little one needed it too...

    I started to say that her daughter really needs to see a doctor and get her own medication because she may have asthma and need more intense treatment but then she hung up on me and turned off her phone.

    And as an aside, they aren't avoiding the doctor for financial reasons. It's just laziness and that is my biggest weakness. I have a really hard time tolerating laziness.
    How do you know their finances and that the issue is laziness?

  • May 23

    Quote from Wuzzie
    Okay, I have a question for you then and I'm NOT being snarky. What do most patients with pneumonia sound like and is there any reason to expect differently? How do their breath sounds change your immediate plan of care? I'm talking breath sounds not respiratory distress.
    Now, if this person was caring for the patient and didn't know that's one thing. But if they are giving report for another person who cannot, for whatever reason, they are not going to assess the patient rather they are going to be the messenger and deliver whatever information they have received. One would hope that they would have been made aware of significant issues but if they don't that's not on them. Generally speaking someone giving report for another is usually done on the fly because something is happening that prevents the nurse who primarily cared for the patient from coming to the phone. My experience has been, and yours may be very different, outside of codes coming in the only reason I had to have someone else give report for me was when I tried to call it nobody from the floor would take it.
    Or maybe more correctly, COULD take it just when you found it convenient just then to call.

    And if the substitute reporter has not been made aware of significant issues, oh well???

    Pity the poor patient.

    If I were going to give report, I would see the pt quickly first and review the records before calling the receiving nurse. It could be dangerous not to and could come back on me for not relaying certain information.

  • May 23

    IV's are not my favorite thing. But the old tips might help: adequate lighting, be comfortable when you are doing a start - sit down or whatever helps you be comfortable.
    Isn't there ultrasound to help locate the veins? Actually visualizes them for you?
    Have a syringe ready - maybe even connected to the IV catheter - with a little saline in it to flush the line and actually push the line in a little more.
    Heat the site a little with a warm cloth. Don't burn anyone.
    Have the arm hang down for a few moments to get better venous filling before you poke.

    Best wishes.

  • May 23

    Quote from NedRN
    I get that perhaps you were just venting and looking for validation and did not appreciate what might appear to be "blaming the victim" response you got from me. I was attempting to provide constructive advice but you clearly didn't hear it. Probably wasting my time but here are some more thoughts for you.

    If you had a problem with a strong personality at work and needed help on dealing with that person, my response would have been very different. What you actually stated is that you could not deal with an entire class of people at work describing them as "extremely rude and lazy". You complained about their behavior to the manager versus asking for advice on how to manage the situation. You may have complained/gossiped to staff nurses as well which could have gotten back to the aides as well. You feel free to label people and call them names (demonstrated by calling me names as well).

    By the way, how on earth are the staff nurses dealing with extremely rude and lazy aides without quitting?

    Think about how you might react if people treated you like that. You would probably avoid them right? That is likely what these aides are doing with you. At the moment, both your posts make you sound like a terrifying employee from a manager's perspective. Three weeks to go? You may have been lucky to have made it this far.

    So yes, I think it is likely you are the problem here. I gave you some advice that is really more future oriented than this one assignment. It is unlikely your situation will improve in the next three weeks no matter what you do, but you have a chance every three months as a traveler to have a fresh start.

    I will add one other thought should you decide to so some self examination versus "the world and Ned is against me". Are you of the same socioeconomic class and/or ethnicity as these aides? There could be a vast culture gap that prevents you from understanding and communicating with them effectively and vice versa. Until you make the attempt to understand them, problems will continue. Most of us get raised in a monoculture and don't really become exposed to other cultures, particularly as it relates to work, until we become working adults. Thus culture clash is common and can be huge. I say that with personal experience of discovering certain classes to not have my own work ethic and having to deal with it. You have to learn new communication skills and what they need from you to earn their respect.
    Of course God forbid that the aides should actually do their work.

    Do you see any possibility that OP is not in the wrong? That the aides really are rude and lazy?

  • May 23

    Quote from NedRN
    Be happy you have aides. My suspicion is they all have friends. Thus their rudeness is your inability to relate, communicate, and manage effectively. Perhaps you think you know everything with 2 years of experience yourself. If you instead think 'what could I have done differently, or how I can communicate better, versus what's wrong with these people', you will have fewer of these problems. It is not easy, but far, far easier to change your own behavior than others. If you model best practices and behaviors, others around you will respond positively.
    What planet are you on? People will respond positively if she models best practices? Like letting the aides walk all over her?

  • May 22

    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    I guess if employers are willing to accommodate Jewish people by giving them Saturdays off, then they must allow all Christians off Sundays. The problem is that when one gets into a 24/7/365 job, the expectation is that one must be willing to work weekends, holidays, etc. People don't stop needing healthcare on Saturdays.

    Similarly, a Jehovah witness must be willing to administer blood transfusions....it comes with the territory.

    Your religious freedom ends when it encroaches on others. And in the OP's case, it does. An employer could be accused of religious discrimination and favoritism which breaks federal law.

    If the nurse can't work Saturdays, she should find a job where working Saturdays aren't required.
    Did those Christians ask for every Sunday off?

    Are you thinking that the Manager asked the person if she wanted to be off q Saturday?

  • May 22

    Quote from NedRN
    Be happy you have aides. My suspicion is they all have friends. Thus their rudeness is your inability to relate, communicate, and manage effectively. Perhaps you think you know everything with 2 years of experience yourself. If you instead think 'what could I have done differently, or how I can communicate better, versus what's wrong with these people', you will have fewer of these problems. It is not easy, but far, far easier to change your own behavior than others. If you model best practices and behaviors, others around you will respond positively.
    What planet are you on? People will respond positively if she models best practices? Like letting the aides walk all over her?

  • May 22

    Quote from NedRN
    I get that perhaps you were just venting and looking for validation and did not appreciate what might appear to be "blaming the victim" response you got from me. I was attempting to provide constructive advice but you clearly didn't hear it. Probably wasting my time but here are some more thoughts for you.

    If you had a problem with a strong personality at work and needed help on dealing with that person, my response would have been very different. What you actually stated is that you could not deal with an entire class of people at work describing them as "extremely rude and lazy". You complained about their behavior to the manager versus asking for advice on how to manage the situation. You may have complained/gossiped to staff nurses as well which could have gotten back to the aides as well. You feel free to label people and call them names (demonstrated by calling me names as well).

    By the way, how on earth are the staff nurses dealing with extremely rude and lazy aides without quitting?

    Think about how you might react if people treated you like that. You would probably avoid them right? That is likely what these aides are doing with you. At the moment, both your posts make you sound like a terrifying employee from a manager's perspective. Three weeks to go? You may have been lucky to have made it this far.

    So yes, I think it is likely you are the problem here. I gave you some advice that is really more future oriented than this one assignment. It is unlikely your situation will improve in the next three weeks no matter what you do, but you have a chance every three months as a traveler to have a fresh start.

    I will add one other thought should you decide to so some self examination versus "the world and Ned is against me". Are you of the same socioeconomic class and/or ethnicity as these aides? There could be a vast culture gap that prevents you from understanding and communicating with them effectively and vice versa. Until you make the attempt to understand them, problems will continue. Most of us get raised in a monoculture and don't really become exposed to other cultures, particularly as it relates to work, until we become working adults. Thus culture clash is common and can be huge. I say that with personal experience of discovering certain classes to not have my own work ethic and having to deal with it. You have to learn new communication skills and what they need from you to earn their respect.
    Of course God forbid that the aides should actually do their work.

    Do you see any possibility that OP is not in the wrong? That the aides really are rude and lazy?

  • May 22

    Quote from NedRN
    Be happy you have aides. My suspicion is they all have friends. Thus their rudeness is your inability to relate, communicate, and manage effectively. Perhaps you think you know everything with 2 years of experience yourself. If you instead think 'what could I have done differently, or how I can communicate better, versus what's wrong with these people', you will have fewer of these problems. It is not easy, but far, far easier to change your own behavior than others. If you model best practices and behaviors, others around you will respond positively.
    What planet are you on? People will respond positively if she models best practices? Like letting the aides walk all over her?


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