Why Does It Seem That RN's Hate Us and Hospitals Don't Believe In Us?? - page 8

Im a new PN grad and have been a STNA (state tested nurse assistant) for 7 years; but as a graduate it seems that RN's are threatened by PN's or feel that we don't know anything and hospitals dont... Read More

  1. by   codyp
    HEY Hello Kitty .Tell us what makes you So different from an lpn!
    Why are you sooo mad at lpns is it that degree behind your name honey?
    Last edit by codyp on Mar 24, '06
  2. by   Fiona59
    I think the "critical thinking" debate will have to be rethought soon. My health authority is using "critical thinking" as a requirement in the LPN postings.

    And yes many LPN's that I work with have two years of college in other things in their past. LPN-RN education only became available in my area in the last couple of years as did second degree admissions.
  3. by   DarlinNurseRed
    It makes me sick to know that CNAs do not make as much as they should.
    Yes, go on to school, brenda3....and good luck.
    CNAs make really good nurses. My sister started out as a CNA many years ago,,,now she is a nursing RN instructor.
  4. by   ms_orion
    I must have missed the original post....RN's hate LPN's? As far as I am concerned we are all just a part of the 'TEAM'. I have worked with some lousy RN's and some really great LPN's. I have felt/heard resentments from LPN's regarding the difference in pay scale, but...the answer is GET BACK TO SCHOOL!!. Where I work they pay 100% of your education....so many people do not take advantage of this. I understand...raising a family etc...but even if they would take one class a quarter eventually they would have the credit hours and such. Hate LPN'S? That is so unreasonable.
  5. by   icugirl33
    Hi,

    Even though I've only been an RN for 8 months, I haven't heard any other nurse say anything bad about LPNs. The hospital I work at don't employ LPNs so I only had a few occasions to have worked with LPNs when I did a few weeks at this rehab hospital. I saw the LPNs and RNs working side by side without any problems. If there is a problem with pay, that is because an RN and an LPN have 2 different scopes of practice legally. These facilities are taking advantage of LPNs by telling them they can perform all the extra tasks, almost the same as the RN but not paying the LPN the rate RNs are getting. There is one hospital in my county that hires LPNs but at $13 an hour, as ridicilous as that sounds, paying the pca's $9 an hour is even worst. As for as anything in life, the best way to improve pay is to continue education. I know some of you love being an LPN, but the only way to get RN pay without giving up benefis, nights, and weekends is too go back to school for your RN. I sacrificed and before nursing school, I was making 35,000 yearly. Now 4 years later, I am making 61,000 with a managed care company and 21,000 doing per diem one day a weekend at my old hospital so I can continue to work on my nursing skills.That education was one of the best investments I made, household income of a sinhle mom of 1 is over 80,000 annually 8 months after graduating. After taxed, my 80 grand will probably be $10 annual income (hahaha)

    I look forward to working as a team with my LPN counterparts. Good luck to you all and when asked, you are a nurse, and I am a nurse, we are all nurses!!!
  6. by   danigirl58
    where i am, the lpns work in all parts of health care. at some of the hospitals the lpns do the same work as an rn (and i truly mean all the same work -hanging iv's giving all meds doing assessments getting orders you name it they do it) the only thing that they can not do is be charge nurse. the crappy part of this is they have all the responsibility but not the pay that goes with it. some facilities have specified scope of there practice.
    now do i think that any one of us is better then the other because we have some kind of special initials beside our name. no i don't, we are all nurses we all have our distinct scopes of practice. to me the most important thing is to work together as a team and remember were there for our patients.
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I have felt/heard resentments from LPN's regarding the difference in pay scale, but...the answer is GET BACK TO SCHOOL!!.
    Ok, in the short time i've been an LPN, i've learned that's where some of the resentment lies. Especially when an LPN JUST got OUT of school, worn out from that, and he/she's got someone telling them they need to go back to school already, IOW unsolicited advice. It should be the individuals decision to go back to school (or not).
  8. by   ms_orion
    NO EXCUSES!!! I earned the RN. I could have stopped at LPN. Its ALWAYS an individuals choice...depends on your priorities.
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from ms_orion
    NO EXCUSES!!! I earned the RN. I could have stopped at LPN. Its ALWAYS an individuals choice...depends on your priorities.
    And some peoples' priorities aren't with school.
  10. by   ms_orion
    And that's okay too...just dont complain about the pay difference. You know what has to be accomplished to get it, thats all I'm saying. Any of us can be whatever we want to be...go as far as we want to go..but we have to be willing to put out the effort to attain the goals that we want. Not one of us is better than another. It all comes down to what we truly want to do.
    Last edit by ms_orion on Apr 24, '06
  11. by   RN34TX
    Quote from icugirl33
    Hi,

    Even though I've only been an RN for 8 months, I haven't heard any other nurse say anything bad about LPNs. The hospital I work at don't employ LPNs so I only had a few occasions to have worked with LPNs when I did a few weeks at this rehab hospital.
    That's like saying "If I can't see it, it doesn't exist".

    I too, work in a hospital that doesn't hire LPN's, thus the subject rarely comes up except for those of us RN's who used to be LPN's.
    That doesn't mean that anti-LPN sentiment isn't out there.

    And to those of you who have this "Well if you don't like being an LPN then go back to school" attitude, here's my 2 cents:

    LPN's do not have nearly the number of options available to them that us RN's have in terms of going back to school and moving up.
    An ADN RN whining about not having a BSN is a different story, as there are so many options available today.

    You guys can have this false sense of "We're all one team" attitude but the fact of the matter is that LPN's do basically the same job as an RN for less pay on your typical med/surg or rehab units whether us RN's want to admit it or not. It's no wonder that some LPN's are going to resent that, including me when I worked as an LPN.

    At first I too, bought into the myth that RN's performed at some higher level that I'd only realize once I was an RN.
    As an RN now, I can tell you that it's a bunch of baloney and if I went back to working med/surg or LTAC or nursing homes, my job would be basically the same as when I was an LPN. Just less pay.

    The educational program does not determine the quality of nurse.
  12. by   JVanRN
    I personally hate LVN/LPN's because they smell funny. They all smell like beef jerky. [/sarcasm]

    But seriously. RN's don't hate LVN's (what we call them in my state). The truth is some people are just jerks on a power trip and some people are just constantly on the defense and think the world is out to get them. Don't get down on yourself, getting your LVN is an accomplishment and something to be proud of. I feel the experience I obtained as an LVN was invaluable and would do it again.

    The main problem I see that might breed resentment between the two is the thinking that they are "pretty much the same thing." No they're not. When I was an LVN in the hospital, I worked on a busy telemetry floor. Skills wise I did in fact do what alot of the RN's did. I hung nitro drips, I gave IV push meds (all kinds) ect. I later learned that much of what I was doing was legally beyond my scope of practice. The answer in what the difference is lies in your state practice act and hospital policy. Some states allow LPN's to do more than others. I live in TX, here LVN's can do alot, but not everything RN's can do.
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from RN34TX
    And to those of you who have this "Well if you don't like being an LPN then go back to school" attitude, here's my 2 cents:

    LPN's do not have nearly the number of options available to them that us RN's have in terms of going back to school and moving up.
    An ADN RN whining about not having a BSN is a different story, as there are so many options available today.

    You guys can have this false sense of "We're all one team" attitude but the fact of the matter is that LPN's do basically the same job as an RN for less pay on your typical med/surg or rehab units whether us RN's want to admit it or not. It's no wonder that some LPN's are going to resent that, including me when I worked as an LPN.

    At first I too, bought into the myth that RN's performed at some higher level that I'd only realize once I was an RN.
    As an RN now, I can tell you that it's a bunch of baloney and if I went back to working med/surg or LTAC or nursing homes, my job would be basically the same as when I was an LPN. Just less pay.

    The educational program does not determine the quality of nurse.
    I guess it depends on where you are. There are two LPN to RN programs here and only one RN to BSN. If look look at the next city it's two more LPN to RN and two more RN to BSN. Online programs for RN to BSN are more abundant however, but there is always that option for LPN to RNs.

    I think the LPN to RN programs are probably more intense because of the clinical time. So it's definately more difficult to go LPN to RN and that's not always an option for a working person with a life and families.

    As long as the state board, JACHO, ANA, etc. believe that there is a difference between RNs and LPNs, there's going to be a difference of opinion that LPNs do the same thing at the same level as RNs. As long as LPNs are willing to go into hospitals and do the same job as RNs and take that salary doing the same thing, then hospitals are going to take advantage of them. I'm appalled at the salaries some of my co-workers make (as a charge nurse I'm privy to that) with the responsibilities and experience they have.

    Where I work there is the rare anti-LPN sentiment between the staff nurses, not much. I do see probably more anti-RN sentiment from the LPNs. Probably because the hospital has put a freeze on hiring more LPNs, but the ones who are there get to stay. Techs who better their education and become LPNs are forced to work somewhere else no matter how many years they put in there. But on a day-to-day basis, we're all just struggling to do our jobs.

    I'm not understanding why you're shooting down RN's that try to have a sense of team spirit by saying "we're all on one team". Some of RNs truly feel that way. Just because we have RN behind our name doesn't automatically make of one of those LPN haters. Some of us despite the controversy around us, don't hate, want to make the best of our work situation and work together, without a feeling of superiority, but one of respect. I'll never forget as a newbie RN how several LPNs took me under their wing and helped me out, even though I was the "team leader" by virtue of my RN, they didn't let me sink, they showed me the ropes and shared their experience. I've never forgotten that.
    Last edit by Tweety on Apr 25, '06

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