Why Does It Seem That RN's Hate Us and Hospitals Don't Believe In Us?? - page 7
Im a new PN grad and have been a STNA (state tested nurse assistant) for 7 years; but as a graduate it seems that RN's are threatened by PN's or feel that we don't know anything and hospitals dont... Read More
Jan 9, '06I'm sorry you've come across some RN's that have made you to feel that way. I must say, I totally respect LPNs. Totally! It seems that LPNs work twice as hard for respect and make some darn good nurses. I don't see why there has to be two types of nurses. I think that they should do away with the title distinction. I think there should be only nurses. Whose idea was it to separate nurses anyway? Anyway, I have learned a lot from LPNs and know some that could run circles around me. I mean, education means very little because you pick up so much on the job experience. In my state, the only difference between an LPN and RN is that the LPN can't hang blood and they cannot push IV drugs. And of course, they don't work in many specialized units like PCU and ICU because of it. But, it seems like the nurses that nurtured the most as a new grad were LPNs. I learned a lot from them and appreciate all they do.
Like I said, I am so sorry you have experienced "super" nurses who know so much and don't really know anything. I can't stand nurses who are always out to prove they are a RN and they are supreme. That just kills it for me. I am very humble with my RN licensure because I know nothing because I am still a new grad. And i am not afraid to admit I don't know about something and will always ask for help when I need to.
Jan 13, '06hello everyone,i hope no one gets mad at me for being here,
[color=#483d8b]i'm just a cna .
[color=#483d8b]but i love to read these forums. anyway here in southeast missouri
[color=#483d8b]cna's only make from 5.15 to 7.00 an hour and the 7.00 an hour
[color=#483d8b]you would have to drive 50 miles or more to get that and some also includes an incentive in the pay so if your making 7.00 an hour
[color=#483d8b]with the incentive included and if you are 1 second late you lose the incentive
[color=#483d8b]for 2 weeks,so cna's will only get 6.00 an hour.and try raising kids on your own with that.
[color=#483d8b]and mind you that this is very very hard work,and you get treated like scum by the nurses and by others in the nursing profession,i'm not saying every nurse is like that there are a
[color=#483d8b]few that i know that would work the floor with you,and those are good ones.most of us cna's that are good are on one hall by ourself taking care of 18 to 20 something people,when state is coming they might call in more to help then they let them go after state is gone.cna's are not being trained good at all there are some cna's not na's that dont know how to take blood pressure and had their license for 2 years now,and i'm not joking..now i know alot of cna's that are no good at all,most of the young ones are in it for the money only and don't care about the folks
[color=#483d8b]or how they treat them,and the come to work half naked,and what i mean by this is they wear their uniforms to tight and their boobs hang out of the top and the pant waist rolled down so far you can see their butt crack.sorry but this is so unprofessional and imbarrassing to the rest of us. there is nothing wrong with wearing different colors but its how you wear it.i myself love wearing different colors and the folks love them to.well i hope i did'nt affend anyone,cna's need to vent sometimes too. i'm middle aged now and my husband wants me to go for lpn and i'm thinking about it.
Mar 16, '06I'm a new nurse, only been working for 6 months. I don't care if someone is in housekeeping or a doctor. I treat everyone the same, with respect. Unfortunately, most of the LPN's where I work have a big attitude towards the RN's, including the new ones like myself.
I have only come across 1 LPN that didn't have a problem with RN's, & we have become great friends. I went to her house for a New Year's Eve party & we talk on the phone at least 4 times a week even though we don't work together anymore. I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, that some of the RN's looked at me "funny" when I would talk to her in the nurse's lounge. How stupid is that. I admire her & all the knowledge she has. She's been a nurse for 12 years. I don't give a damn about titles. If you treat me with respect, you'll get the same in return. Most of the LPN's with a few years experience, know a hell-of-a-lot more than me. I don't understand why some of them are so uppidy with RN's. By treating new RN's the way they do at my hospital, actually turns us against them. There's only so long that someone will put up with that type of behavior, regardless of whatever letters follow their names.
Mar 16, '06Quote from brown eyed girlI love the LPN's I work with. They are excellent diagnosticians and their clinical skills are the best. I learn from them all the time. I used to be an LPN so I understand both sides. The reason for the difference in pay is a college degree. I went back to school after 26 years as an LPN. My LPN class was more clinical based learning and my RN school more theoretical based learning.Im a new PN grad and have been a STNA (state tested nurse assistant) for 7 years; but as a graduate it seems that RN's are threatened by PN's or feel that we don't know anything and hospitals dont want us, at least that's been my experience with myhere in Ohio and Ga and I don't understand why. We as PN's have to learn @least 80% of the material that a student in a ADN program learns in 11 months vs. 2 yrs, so what makes us different besides the rate of pay, which really isn't any different at least in Oh where a UNEXPERIENCED LPN makes minimally TO START 16.75 w/o differential and more for being IV and CPR certified and a UNEXPERIENCEC RN makes IN OHIO makes 17.00/hr. I don't want to come across as confrontational because that's not why Im writing. I just want to get some other points of view from LPN'S AND RN'S to help me understand.
Mar 21, '06It's not that the RN hates the LPN/LVN. Its the individual themselves, not the licensure.That's just the excuse the person is using to look down their nose at someone.
Talking to MOST LVN's, they became an LVN due to lack of time/money/to invest in being a nurse. I was a young single mother with 4 kids to support, being an RN was NOT an option for me.
NOW I'm just lazy!
I've been an LVN for 20 yrs, and except for starting Blood, I've worked side by side and did same job as most RN's. RN's that like and respect me, and also those that didn't.
I just keep on truckin, and realize it's the person, did the title.
Mar 23, '06Quote from pedinurse05Hi, I just wanted to add my two cents. I have all my prerequisites for our RN program (all the classes you stated above-except nutrition) and I have and AA, but I will be graduating from a PN program in a month. This is because the PN program picked me up before the RN program did (if it was going to).Rn's (even ADN's) take more general classes than LPN's. I took Micro, A&P 1&2, english comp 1 & 2, humanities electives, lifespan, a 3 credit human nutrition class, ethics, algebra, psychology, sociology...and a few others. There is a difference in education.
As for pay, RN's should be compensated more for the extra education. I think all nurses should be paid better in general.
Please don't take what I say the wrong way , I just would like for everyone to know that an LPN can have the same background education as the RN. Some LPN's have more education in their background then just the 1 year PN certificate. I feel that the RN gets more of the critical thinking in their education, where they know that this breakdown in this organ will lead to a chain reaction of events in this area of the body. But us as LPN only get the basic overview of things, we don't get the indebth stuff
But I do have a qustion for you, or anyone who can help. Since I have an Associates and I get my Associates in Nursing is that considered a bachelors degree? A friend told me that the answer is yes but I am doubtful.
Mar 23, '06Quote from HarleygirlYou said what was on my mind. :spin: . Very well put and ThanksI compare my experience in LPN school to medic classes, they teach you to look at your patient and see signs and symptoms and you try to link up the disease with what you are seeing. RN school digs a little deeper, in that now you see the signs and symptoms of the patient, link up the disease, and know more in depth what that disease is, how it occurs, symptoms, what to expect in the future, what other things it could cause...etc. Harleygirl
Mar 23, '06<<<< no charting, no assessments >>>>
boy...no charting! i could handle that. charting is the part of my job i hated the most. of course now that i'm retired from hospital nursing, thank god, and do home health i have a lot less charting to do.....and of course i assess my pts every morning. i did it for years in the hospital, as well as admits, when they suddenly decided i wasn't capable anymore......after 30 years....lol.
Mar 23, '06I have worked as an LPN for over 20 years, and I have enjoyed my job.
Now I will be graduating with my RN in a few months.
I have seen new Rns treat LPNs poorly, and it isn't an efficient way to work.
BUT-I understand now why students who have never worked as nurses feel the way they do.
The instructors stress legal issues and management skills, and they tell students not to trust LPNs.
They make it plain that the RN will be the one to get sued if anyone does anything wrong.
Now, I understand the responsibilities of the RN as a team leader, but you never mistreat your other team members.
I was in a discussion about this subject with some of the other LPN-RN students one day, and a younger student who has never worked as a nurse walked up and said "I don't know why you even care about the LPNs, because you will have your RN soon anyway, what difference does it make?"
I replied that my LPN is like my maiden name. It is true that I won't get to use it anymore, but I don't want anyone talking about it negatively, either.:spin:
Mar 24, '06There are good people and idiots in the world, and the letters after their names have little to do with which category they fall into. Personally- when I get the "why didn't you go to RN school?" attitude, I reply with "why aren't you a short, middle-aged Irish guy?" and very few of them are smart enough to understand that I mean that only foolish arrogance would presume that the life path of one person must be the correct one for somebody else. Anyway, I'm working on a master's degree in management now, so will that entitle me to give the BSN's attitude? Nah- I just can't be that petty. Life's too short.
Mar 24, '06HarleyGirl,
If you know how each body system works in the first place, you can predict what's going to happen next; and when you do this it is called "critical thinking". You are thinking ahead of what is currently happening at the present time. So with that said, they teach that skill in LPN SCHOOL; I know b/c I received it! For me, once I got that basic knowledge of A&P taught to me, thinking "critically" just came naturally. You may learn things a little more "in depth" in RN school, but you learn how to think critically; it's what nursing is all about. I learned how to do more than "pass meds" while I was there. This is NOT meant to be hostile in any way but, I find it insulting and frustrating as a LPN when it is said that in RN training you learn how to think "critically." REGARDLESS TO WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, I'M A NURSE AND I'M PROUD OF IT! If I had to learn acid-base balance, understood it , passed the test and lived to tell about it, then, IM A NURRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSEEEE!
Mar 24, '06Quote from mocaj2 associates degrees do not equal a bachelors degree.But I do have a qustion for you, or anyone who can help. Since I have an Associates and I get my Associates in Nursing is that considered a bachelors degree? A friend told me that the answer is yes but I am doubtful.
This is not to say that you haven't put in the same number of credit hours, because if you have two associates degrees, you may very well have put in 120 credit hours easily.
But you need upper division level credits in a specific major, those credits that are considered to be at a junior and senior level. An associates degree only goes to a sophomore level.