I'm an LPN and I understand.

Not being phased out. But being forced back to our traditional role as Licensed Practical Nurse. This article addresses the LPNs role being phased out of acute care and what future LPNs should know about the practical nursing profession. Nurses LPN/LVN Article

I'm a new Nurse. I spend a lot of my time on a nursing home corridor behind a med cart, or more like a rolling Walgreens kiosk. I stay at work 1, 2 sometimes maybe 3 hours after shift change behind a nurses station. After 4pm , I function alone. I'm the one in charge. I'm the one who assesses residents, makes judgements, contacts physicians, contacts family members, sends residents to the hospital, it's all me. It's a big responsibility. It's a big job. I'm a NURSE. I'm the NURSE. But I am not an RN. I'm an LPN.

There's been much debate on not only this website, but around the country; about RNs and LPNs and what's the difference. It seems like around every corner you hear, don't become an LPN, or LPNs can't work in acute care. In my area LPNs can work in acute care and are growing strong in med-surg and ortho/rehab units in acute care. But that's not to be naive to the fact that in many parts of the country this is not the case. But I understand. I understand why LPNs have been phased out of ERs, OBs , ICUs, med surg in some areas, and it really does not come as a shock to me.

The current trend for LPNs is not new. LPNs came about ages ago to assist the RN by tending to stable patients with predictable outcomes. But with today's healthcare costs, and all other modern day alternatives to costly acute care like Rehab, LTAC, LTC/SNFs, Home Health, those patients with predictable outcomes just don't camp out on med surg like they used too.

Hospitals today house highly acute patients. And our skill sets as LPNs just aren't effective in this kind of environment. It does not make us any less of a Nurse, it's just not traditionally our role. Our role has moved with the times outside of hospitals. But that does not mean our role is gone. There's a Home Health Agency, Nursing Home, LTACH, Rehab Hospital hiring LPNs in bulk around every street corner.

So my question to all LPNs? Why would you work in a CNA capacity just to get hospital experience? All prospective LPN students need to understand that an LPN is not an RN. Just like a Podiatrist is not an MD. All are doctors. But different types. RNs and LPNs are both NURSES but different types. RNs are acute care nurses, and nurse managers, made for coding patients, and IV drips, and newborns in distress. As LPNs we are there for Accu Checks, PEG Tubes, Walkers, foleys. We LPNs are Nurses whose expertise is management of long term chronic illnesses. But we are Nurses.

Don't waste your time going through podiatry school if you want to be an MD. You'll be disappointed. Same thing if your dream is to be an RN on a busy NICU but you're sitting at clinicals at your local trade school in an LTC facility. We need to embrace the type of Nurse we are and our role as LPNs. Why go to school to be an LPN to work as a Tech on med surg, when you can use your Nurse smarts and leadership abilities in long term care.

I think the problem with LPN insecurities today is we LPNs try to be something we were traditionally not meant to be. It's not the magnet status talk or the BSN requirements. With shortages of Nurses in LTCs and tough budget cuts to federal programs paying a BSN RN to pass meds in a busy nursing home for $15-17$ dollars an hour is scheduled for the 31st of Never.

So let us embrace the LPN's role in nursing as the "chronic illness stable condition nurses". I'm proud to be a long term care nurse. I don't want to deal with critical drips , titrations, deteriorating newborns and such. I want to provide the best nursing care possible to people in need of long term management for chronic illnesses. If these jobs are outside the hospital, we have to follow them. We have to be proud of the Nurse we chose to be.

Again don't become a family medicine specialist if you want to be a neurosurgeon. Both are physicians both have similar knowledge. But the skills and individual knowledge they have match 2 different types of client populations. It's the same with LPNs and RNs. I know that in a perfect little world the LPN is an assistant to the RN and the RN delegates and supervises every little move and task that an LPN makes. Let's get real now. In small rural nursing homes where the DOC knows the Nurses on a first name basis, the LPN has more autonomy than MSN-RN in a large hospital.

Not knocking anybody's role. RNs have more acuity skills according to the BON, they have a better understanding of the big picture and i understand. But I have a role as a Nurse. I'm a long term care nurse. I manage chronic illnesses. It's what I signed up for. I would suggest anyone who wants to fly on helicopters, and start atropine drips in the ER, or care for an infant in the NICU, do yourself a favor and strive to be an RN. Because I do not have these hopes.

The elderly are a blessing and I'm doing what I love. I'm a NURSE. A long term care LPN and proud of it. It's what I do. You stick an ER RN in my job and it probably won't go well. You stick me in the ER, I know it wont go well! So please prospective LPNs. Consider our tradition. Accept it, or strive for your RN, beause we're not the same. And as an LPN I understand.

Erm, OP. I'm an acute care LPN in Canada. I have a BA. I would work in Tim Hortons before I would work in LTC. LTC is not the home of the LPN.

In Canada, the LPN is a professional nurse, educated during two plus years at college (the old, diploma RN course) not a quick ten month trade school course.

I'm happy you have found your niche in LTC and am sorry your scope of practice is so limited, but please don't feel that your experience covers all LPNs. Heck, some US ADNs have moved north and found they only have the education of an LPN

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
LPNs are important, there is no doubting that, but I do agree that their role is different than that of an RN. LPN school is far less in depth and they are not taught to handle unpredictable patients. The education does not include that aspect, and given it only takes half the time to do the LPN program as compared to the RN, it does make sense that RNs get paid more. With knowledge and responsibility comes pay, and much like MSNs aren't doctors, LPNs can't do what nurses can. Although, what they do with chronically ill patients is very important.

I agree RNs should be paid more, but I'm not aware of any unit an LVN/PN may be employed in per their state's scope of practice, that would exclude certain patients on an "unpredictability" factor.

An employer may choose not to include LVN/PNs in certain specialties (ie critical care, emergency or L & D), but the key point is the level of assessment and supervision within each unit.

I would say also that determining the depth of or complexity of a nursing program by "1 year, 2 years, etc" is not going to get you to an accurate result. There are accelerated BSN programs that are 1 year-14 mo long. Students enrolled in online programs will finish in varying times based on their program and personal circumstances.

My own feeling is that it's never a good idea to assume any patient is going to be predictable even though the chances of an adverse outcome are lower in some areas.

Specializes in Adult ICU/PICU/NICU.
LPNs are important, there is no doubting that, but I do agree that their role is different than that of an RN. LPN school is far less in depth and they are not taught to handle unpredictable patients. The education does not include that aspect, and given it only takes half the time to do the LPN program as compared to the RN, it does make sense that RNs get paid more. With knowledge and responsibility comes pay, and much like MSNs aren't doctors, LPNs can't do what nurses can. Although, what they do with chronically ill patients is very important.

Lots of bad information here.

I won't even start.

LPNs are important, there is no doubting that, but I do agree that their role is different than that of an RN. LPN school is far less in depth and they are not taught to handle unpredictable patients. The education does not include that aspect, and given it only takes half the time to do the LPN program as compared to the RN, it does make sense that RNs get paid more. With knowledge and responsibility comes pay, and much like MSNs aren't doctors, LPNs can't do what nurses can. Although, what they do with chronically ill patients is very important.

Please don't be under the assumption that LPNs only work in nursing homes with Geriatric patients. I am an LPN and work at a Children's Hospital in the ER. I'm forced to think quickly on my toes, and I help to save lives. Don't discredit what an LPN is capable of doing. And for the record, LPN school was no cake walk. Just because we weren't required to take pre reqs in the traditional way, it doesn't mean we didn't have a harsh program that included MOST of what RNs study: Fundamentals, Pharmacology, Med Surg, Pediatrics.

I am now taking pre reqs and finishing up Micro, I will be starting the RN bridge in a few months. I feel more prepared that I started my nursing career as an LPN.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

iamanurse9 has NO idea what PN programs teach-the nursing process, A&P, Pharmacology, Fundammentals, Med-Surg, Peds, Mental Health, Critical Care, Leadership....all the subjects that are in an RN program.

I built upon my knowledge from PN school to my BSN program were the role of the RN as a leader more in-depth research and EBP, and updated trends in healthcare-that's it...everything else was similar, shadowing rotations through ER and OR in both programs, hospital rotations in both programs...the only difference was LTC rotation in my PN program, which I felt that my BSN program did a disservice to not have that, especially when in my area that is a real possibility that LTC can be a novice nurse's first position.

I understand the more degrees a nurse has the less likely they will work beside.I would not work bedside with a MSN and some BSN's feel the same way.

Every bedside RN in Canada who has graduated since 2009 is a BScN/BN. Diploma RNs have been grandfathered to be able to keep their jobs, with those who graduated after 2005 being encouraged to get their degree. A friend who graduated in 2008, point blank refuses to do so as she has no desire to go into management or become an educator

knowledge is the key in this discussion and there are huge gaps in some posters knowledge

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
iamanurse9 has NO idea what PN programs teach-
This member dropped one inflammatory bomb of a post and them never returned. I think we might be paying too much attention to a hit-and-run poster.
This member dropped one inflammatory bomb of a post and them never returned. I think we might be paying too much attention to a hit-and-run poster.

True but I get so mad when people say LPNs aren't real nurses and im sure there are others with this mentality. It's pushed me to go back for my RN though.. My associates in RN. Although I have never seen anyone put down an ASN or diploma RN? I guess there's a hater at every stage of the game and I'll have to get used to it!

True but I get so mad when people say LPNs aren't real nurses and im sure there are others with this mentality. It's pushed me to go back for my RN though.. My associates in RN. Although I have never seen anyone put down an ASN or diploma RN? I guess there's a hater at every stage of the game and I'll have to get used to it!

Good luck LupieNurse. I went to a very good LPN school. My LPN was harder than the RN. This includes the NCLEX too. Both passed on the first try with minimum questions but NCLEX-PN was harder for me.

I am going back for my BSN now as I was told recently that I am only an associate RN. Too many ignorant people in this world.

Anyway, strive hard for your dreams and don't forget learning is an on going process.

Good luck LupieNurse. I went to a very good LPN school. My LPN was harder than the RN. This includes the NCLEX too. Both passed on the first try with minimum questions but NCLEX-PN was harder for me.

I am going back for my BSN now as I was told recently that I am only an associate RN. Too many ignorant people in this world.

Anyway, strive hard for your dreams and don't forget learning is an on going process.

I have yet to take my RN boards but I graduated from a good LPN program and it was so hard. I still make it out alive with a good GPA and passed nclex first shot but I would never say it wasn't in depth or easy.. Not in the least

Specializes in Family Practice, Mental Health.

I applaud anyone going from LPN/LVN to RN.

I understand what struggles you have had to endure.

Nicely stated! I knew some veteran nurse would reply to that post in a positive and informative way! Thank you! :)