New RN at 40, needs help for experience or training - page 2

Hello everybody, Newbie RN here at 40.. while waiting for my NCLEX-RN ATT I tried applying for at least voluntary employment.. Any working nurses here that could guide me to their hospitals... Read More

  1. by   meynzai
    hi!!spend your time studying in preparation for your NCLEX-RN exam..otherwise you will be out of focus if your doing volunteering or training job at the same time...Godspeed









    Quote from Ratio Nale
    Hello everybody,

    Newbie RN here at 40.. while waiting for my NCLEX-RN ATT I tried applying for at least voluntary employment.. Any working nurses here that could guide me to their hospitals without age cap? Or paid trainings in Manila even?

    God bless.. hi to moderator Ms Suzanne4 and Lawrence01.:behindpc:
  2. by   meynzai
    Hi!!!!suzanne4,
    Thanks for the tip..It's a big help.
    I am 43 years od...I graduated Nursing in 2006 as my second course.:smilecoffeecup:





    quote=suzanne4;2150628]Spend the time studying and preparing. That volunteer experience will not get you anywhere with working in the US. And the jobs in the US are so very different, that it will not help. And why in the world, should you have to pay for these programs? Makes no sense at all.

    If you do not have at least two years of actual work experience that you are paid for, it will not make any difference.[/quote]
  3. by   lavalin
    Only in the Philippines

    that a nurse needs to pay in order to get a job to a hospital / facility

    that a nurse needs to work without pay for certain number of months before being considered to be employed (volunteer nursing)
  4. by   Ratio Nale
    Quote from purplecotton
    Hi. I am currently a volunteer RN at Ospital ng Muntinlupa. It is a government hospital right next to Asian Hospital and Medical Center (private hospital, JCAHO accredited) where i used to work (was employed there for a couple of months... took care of personal family issues...took NCLEX, then they changed their hiring policy- as i was told they now don't accept NCLEX passers bec. they know you will be leaving soon). If you are in the Muntinlupa area you should try working here. You don't need to pay for anything such as training (and you really shouldn't be bec. you are simply volunteering), you get a certificate of completion (yes, just for personal fulfillment as it doesn't count when applying abroad), and if you have had some working experience, the staff will allow you to do a lot of procedures which is good practice..and it feels good to help out as well. It isn't difficult to get into the hospitals if you can guarantee that you will be staying (working) with them for at least a full year. But because we are waiting out the retrogression we can't promise them anything. We can only offer a helping hand without pay (volunteer). Now, if you haven't taken the NCLEX yet and aren't planning to leave very soon, you can apply next door to Asian as you are not bound to a contract (to my knowledge, they don't have contracts with their RNs). Yeah, the disparity between private and government hospitals is really huge. It is quite sad, really. But if you really want to build your skills, the government hospitals (just my opinion) are a good training ground.
    hi purplecotton,

    first, guys I appreciate your thoughts on these. by the way purplecotton, you didnt mention about age limits.. is there any? Just yesterday, I tried in Muntinlupa Medical in Putatan, same thing, they only accept 35 yrs old and below . But thanks anyways..
  5. by   purplecotton
    Hi. As of what i know, there is no age limit (unless you are like "retirement age", which you are not ). If i do recall, when i talked to the nursing supervisors and the chief nurse, they mentioned that there was a doctor in her 50s (?) also volunteering there. If you would like, i can ask them when i go back (possibly this Friday). All you need to submit is your resume, cover letter, and photocopy of your PRC license (and if you have a photocopy of your IVT, BLS, etc. all the better so you can help around more). And anyway, the chief nurse will interview you first and she will ask you what kind of working sched. you would like. Just remember, you will not be receiving any pay. This experience is just for "skills development" and making use of your "privilege" (an RN not in practice is such a waste). You will be under supervision and if the RNs there are confident in your skills, they will let you do more complicated nursing procedures.
  6. by   Hannibal
    Quote from lawrence01
    The better hospitals has always done this. It would be min. 2 year contract and one has to complete it for them to give any credit. Anything less would mean one has no proof of 'experience' that can be used.

    They are correct in saying that they only train those who has intentions to be a staff and min. contract is 2 years.

    Some hospital do have volunteer programs, usually for 6 mos. but that is not considered 'experience'.
    Isn't it they give certificates for volunteers? What is the purpoes of these certificates if they cannot be considered as experience?
  7. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Hannibal
    Isn't it they give certificates for volunteers? What is the purpoes of these certificates if they cannot be considered as experience?
    Yes, there are certificates for volunteering but a volunteer, is a volunteer, is a volunteer. Let's say someone was a volunteer for 1 year and someone was a staff nurse for 1 year. The former will be given a certificate for volunteering and the other a certificate for 1 year experience (complete w/ a certificate of employment). They are not the same. A staff nurse is a full-time employee and is paid w/ a full salary and part of the hospital's payroll whereas a volunteer are none of the above. The more reputable hospitals in the PI will not even give this certification (for experience and proof of employment) if one does not complete the usual 2 year contract if they employed you.

    Some agencies may require this 'volunteering' and may even consider them as experience but that is according to their own standards and maybe even some local hospitals may consider it as experience but US hospitals will not consider it as experience per se according to their standards because in the US volunteering is diff. from actual experience and if we are going to apply for US facilities we follow their standards and not what is being done in the PI.

    Hope that helps. :spin:
  8. by   purplecotton
    Yup, yup. If you choose to volunteer, it is your decision (as it is mine ). At this point, if you are waiting for the retrogression to lift and can't guarantee your hospital employer that you can work for them for at least a year (even if they try to pursuade you to stay longer), volunteering is pretty much your only option if you plan to leave as soon as it lifts (a risk we all have to take as we don't really know when it will lift and hopefully less than a year's wait). Pls. don't let your only motive for not working here be "because it will not be useful on my resume" or "it won't increase my chances of being hired in the US". You can always use this time to help out a little while we wait. It is always nice to have stories to tell and experiences to share. Eventually, when we start working in the US, we will better appreciate the blessings and opportunities given to us. Yes, we all want to have a "better" life (in search of greener pastures) but there is something more to this nursing profession than just earning your keeps. Now, if you still have a "what's in it for me" perspective, i agree volunteering may not be a highlight on your resume but i am sure that if your US employer asks you what you can do, you can confidently explain to them what you CAN do (not just a textbook answer) and have experiences to back it up. It's not a total loss situation. And you can put it on your resume under Community Involvement (where you can elaborate on the things you were able to do)..just not under Clinical Experience (which fortunately, i do have). Take care.
  9. by   Ratio Nale
    Quote from purplecotton
    Yup, yup. If you choose to volunteer, it is your decision (as it is mine ). At this point, if you are waiting for the retrogression to lift and can't guarantee your hospital employer that you can work for them for at least a year (even if they try to pursuade you to stay longer), volunteering is pretty much your only option if you plan to leave as soon as it lifts (a risk we all have to take as we don't really know when it will lift and hopefully less than a year's wait). Pls. don't let your only motive for not working here be "because it will not be useful on my resume" or "it won't increase my chances of being hired in the US". You can always use this time to help out a little while we wait. It is always nice to have stories to tell and experiences to share. Eventually, when we start working in the US, we will better appreciate the blessings and opportunities given to us. Yes, we all want to have a "better" life (in search of greener pastures) but there is something more to this nursing profession than just earning your keeps. Now, if you still have a "what's in it for me" perspective, i agree volunteering may not be a highlight on your resume but i am sure that if your US employer asks you what you can do, you can confidently explain to them what you CAN do (not just a textbook answer) and have experiences to back it up. It's not a total loss situation. And you can put it on your resume under Community Involvement (where you can elaborate on the things you were able to do)..just not under Clinical Experience (which fortunately, i do have). Take care.
    Thanks for your insights purplecotton. I'll dropby Ospital ng Munti probably tomorrow. Update you in your PM.
  10. by   mazeRN
    [quote=kathykaye;2156813]actually, it is P3900.. but the applicant can reimburse that fee once absorbed by the hospital... there is also a training allowance which can be recieved when the applicant is already hired by the institution...

    yes, the training is 3 mos. and it's a good hospital experience... after 3 mos, there will be a graduation. certificates wont be given unless you finish the 2-year contract... their reason is, why would they train someone if they wont become their staff... they dont do this before. however applicants leave after the 3 mos training so they made a bond of P36000 once you refuse on the job offer within 7 days after graduation from the training...

    they have a very good standard...and the training is worthy.. the hospital is accredited twice by JCIA (joint commission international). there are only 2 hospitals accredited by JCIA in the Philippines namely st lukes medical
    center and the medical city..



    goodluck..[/quote]


    so you mean the 3-month volunteer training is actually a pre-employment training? What happens if one refuses the job offer? Will the P36K bond be forfeited? As this seems to be a pre-employment training, what are the requirements? Do they accept applicants over 35 y/o? I tried calling their HR and they asked me to get connected to another department then to another department which really confused me.
  11. by   kathykaye
    yup it is a pre-employment training.. after the 3-month training, if you are offered a job then you refused, you have to pay for 36000..

    department of clinical advancement (DCA) office is the one handling the training.. before, it was the HR dept.. but it changed...

    i have a co-trainee who is 30 y.o as well...
  12. by   juniedpogi
    Hi there, just new to allnurses...I want to share my experience when applying for a job as an R.N., just passed the NLE last Dec. 2006.
    They told me I'm over the age bracket and 35yrs old is the max age alowed to a gov't. hospital, i haven't tried applying for a private hospital...
    anyways that was at Ospital ng maynila, then my wife told me that she new the Director of Lung Center and maybe it could help me get in and practice my profession...to make the story short, went there submitted my resume, 3 weeks later, I got a phone call for an interview...went there at that day, was very excited and was told that I will have my training for 3 months but I cannot be a accepted as a regular because am over 35 yrs., training is 6,000.00 pesos for 3 mo., I will have my training this July.

    I've just submitted my application and TOR at NM BON last mo. and am waiting for the reply...as what Ms Suzanne4 said focus on our NCLEX studies, I think my priority now should be concentrating on my NCLEX studies then passing it, 2nd IELTS exam.

    For the record I may be 40 but i still look young and handsome that's what my wife said' and I can still walk and run.umpiron::chuckle

    off the record:
    After the interview I got into the car and was very frustrated, my wife was inside the car waiting and asked If I got accepted....??
    I asked her....Do I look that old :roll
    Last edit by juniedpogi on May 30, '07
  13. by   bebe13
    It is really frustrating not to be considered for a job because of age. How about the other criteria for qualifying??? Philippines is really amazing!!! Anyway, just think of it this way, it is their loss that they did not consider you. :chuckle:chuckle:chuckle

    Hey, purplecotton! Thank you for your helpful information... Does OsMun accept volunteers who are non-Muntinlupa residents? I believe all their staff are Muntinlupa residents. I wonder if that also applies to volunteers.

    God is good! All the time... God bless you all!

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