Journey of a foreign nurse getting licensure

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!!!! Just found out that I am eligible for a license with the UK!!!!! Here is my journey as an American nurse:

In 2010 after marrying my British hubby, I started to research into getting a British nursing license as well as British immigration. Although we were nowhere near moving to the UK (not least because it made no sense to go until DH gets dual citizenship), I wanted to look into the process because I am an obsessive planner. I applied for my first initial nursing job 6 months before I graduated from nursing school and currently I have five plans laid out for our finances over the next 10 years. In the end, we've decided to wait until after we have children (when they are old enough to remember it).

I was pretty discouraged as many posts suggested that Americans with the traditional BSNs (no ADNs allowed under the rules unless also have a BSN) didn't have nearly enough theory/clinical hours. The average American program has ~500-1000 clinical hours and ~2300 for the British program. Looking into the British nursing programs, it seemed like the students end up being in a hospital almost like a full-time job.

Then...this happened:

https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom-nurses/clinical-hours-short-506526.html

Member helricha had applied for a nursing license and didn't have all the required hours. While talking to a decision officer at the NMC (different from the first-line telephone answer folks), it turned out that the minimum they would accept (from American BSNs, I don't know if this applies to other countries) was 1,500 hours, at least half of which needed to be clinical hours and at least 1/3 of it being theory hours. More on this later.

I decided that I might as well try to apply for a license now as it would be better to try and know. If I didn't make the cut, I planned to ask if RN refresher courses with clinicals or graduate school with clinicals would count.

And so, I took the IELTS (academic). Yes, you may groan, but every system in the history of world has its idiosyncrasies, why should the NMC be so bereft? It's required of anyone not trained in the EU. My DH informed me that language requirements are not legal among countries in the EU, which is why an Italian had no need to take the IELTS, yet I as a native speaker, would. I briefly looked online to know what to expect, but I assumed it wouldn't be too hard as English is my first language. It ended up using a few more of my mental faculties than I imagined and I feel dreadfully sorry for those who have to take it as a second language. All in all, I ended up with a 8.0 in listening, 9.0 in reading, 7.0 in writing, and a 8.5 in speaking, having achieved the minimum "7." It was pretty awkward completing the speaking proportion and I ended up babbling a lot about how Communism decreased tourism in the 1970s...:uhoh3:

Having received my scores, I requested the first packet from the NMC, which only took about two weeks. Along with the application form, I had to send in a certified copy of my birth and marriage certificate, a notarized copy of my nursing license, and a payment. I ended up doing this part over the phone as it was easier for my credit card to do the payment.

The second packet took about three weeks to get and took about a month for me to get everything ready. I had to get my board of nursing to sign a form of my good conduct, two references of good conduct from my managers, a signed form from my doctor of good health, and transcripts from my school. The important thing to remember here is that each form has to have a stamp/seal from the place from who is signing it. The BON and my doctor had stamps, so that was no problem. The hospital was, so I had them write a short letter on official hospital letterhead stating that there was no hospital stamp and that they had signed the form.

And now...the transcripts.

They have to be listed in hours instead of credits. The registrar office, due to the integrity of transcripts, would not print them out in hours, so I contacted my nursing school and asked how many hours each credit was worth. Once we calculated it all out, I made a template of all my nursing related classes and divided them into theory and clinical hours. I also listed my non-nursing classes like English and Math, but didn't include those in the total. I had the office print it out on official university letterhead and seal and to complete the form totaling all the hours.

I ended up with about ~700 theory hours and ~800 clinical hours. It just barely met the minimum, but I sent it all off in hopes. I was told that it takes about 5-7 weeks to make a decision. The NMC told me that they received everything on November 8th.

Today, on December 9th, I found out that I have been accepted!!! :clpty:

I will now figure out when I want to take the Overseas Nursing Programme (ONP). It's about a month, but some programs only have 3 in-class days and then you complete a workbook in between. Here's a http://www.nmc-uk.org/Approved-Programmes/ to where you can find places where you can take the ONP. Per the UKBA http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/student/visa/, you don't need a visa to do the ONP (and as per Bourneouth University for their program as I've asked). However, it is with extreme caution that I tell you this and I would NEVER lie about your intentions to a UK officer at the border and I would not take my word for it but you need to investigate this on your own. It can get you banned for life. Do NOT this info take this lightly.

I need to complete the ONP within two years otherwise start this process over again...no way Jose!

Now, a word on immigration. The economy sucks. Whether you think it's because of Bush or Obama, the US economy has tanked and is slowly recovering and due to the disproportionate influence over the rest of the world, we have dragged most other countries into it and the UK is no exception (although I'm sure Greece didn't help things out either...) What does this mean for the average person?

That the NHS is in financial trouble and is laying off many of its own nurses. A foreigner with no claim to EU citizenship or spouse of one has little chance of getting a job. Because...you would need company sponsorship and they have to prove that they can't hire anyone in the UK or the EU with your qualifications. In fact, the shortage occupation list only has NICU and OR (theatre) as needs right now and I doubt even then that someone with no ties would be able to get a job. By all means, you can try to get a license and keep it up for several years and wait to see if the economy improves. As memory recalls, it's 75 pounds a year to keep it current.

As someone who is the spouse of a UK citizen, I will have the same employment hiring rights as a UK citizen if I get "Indefinite Leave to Remain" (the UK green card equivalent), except for political and security hush-hush jobs, I'm sure.

In any case...I wish you luck and I will answer questions regarding the process if you like, but remember than I am no expert and my knowledge is only based upon my own experience. Just because I have been successful does not mean someone else would. I only ask that you read what I wrote here and don't ask things already answered...

NMC Overseas Registration Outline:

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Registration/Joining-the-register/Trained-outside-the-EU--EEA/

? So, the dates listed are not the CLASS dates? or an I misreading that?

I should probably just ring them tomorrow.

Specializes in NICU.

The dates listed are the days you spend physically in class. They make up for the fact that this is clearly not 120 hours of classtime by making you fill out a workbook that takes a week or more to finish.

Thanks for the post Baby RN it has been nice to see the whole process layed out. To know that the long delays are part of the process has helped settle my frustration.

I know it is part of the dance we have to do to get to the outcome, it just feels like the record is stuck sometimes. (hmm just showed my age with the record comment lol)

Specializes in ICU,ANTICOAG,ACUTE STROKE,EDU,RESEARCH.

Incidentally I trained in the UK, and a quick search online recently showed that of my group of 22 nurses, only 3 remained in the UK.

That's incredible and quite sad too SKYLARK-when did you train?

babyRN -what do you think about the differences in RN salaries?

Specializes in NICU.

Miss Woosie, hahahahah, um, yeah. I filed taxes on ~$75,000 that doesn't include my agency or over-time work. Granted, I live in a metropolitan area, but looking at Band 5 Salary, the range is ~21,000-28,000 pounds which is about $33k-$43k? Even if you maxed out by living in inner London, it's another $10k at most. Yeesh. Not to mention housing prices which are astronomical in the London area.

I am not going to the UK for the money, that much is clear! My DH is in school to become a teacher (has an undergrad from the UK in physics) and I'm sure that teachers make even less. We will probably lose a lot of potential income from moving to the UK, but life is not all about money and our future kids being able to see their grandparents on a more than once a year basis is worth it for my family. Not to mention being exposed to their heritage and culture. I feel a little sad that they won't be intrinsically linked to the British culture by virtue of living in the US for the first few years. Because, no, I won't have my kids over there because we can't afford to move over right now in the midst of paying off our student loans and car debt and I'm certainly not going to wait >5 years to have kids.

Specializes in ICU,ANTICOAG,ACUTE STROKE,EDU,RESEARCH.

The starting salary is around the same as the police force and teachers, but it's the lack of availability of higher graded positions in nursing and the pathetic yearly incremental yearly rises on each scale that leaves nurses way behind over the ongoing years.When agenda for change happened in ?2007 ( was supposed to grade positions across professions equally) because the largest % of employees in the NHS are nurses they were shafted basically. So you might have a physiotherapist with similar (or less IMO) responsibility and qualifications as a nurse but the job was banded as a 7 whilst the nursing job was banded as a 6!There are play coordinators on kids wards who were banded as 5 s and secretaries who were banded as 4s.The other thing is the overlap of salaries between the bands, so, for example, when I secured a lecturer practitioner position at band 7 and my salary increase was less than 1k a year to something like 32k.In some ways it's a disincentivefor nurse to apply for , for eg ,band 6 clinical nurse specialist posts because the pay rise doesn't cover the money lost from enhanced shift payments. Some of the ward based band 5s were taking home more than I was on a 7- without any overtime.The first job I was offered here in the US was at coordinator level and salary was 65k $.It's not just the money though- it's the way the NHS treats nurses and the fact that when anyone else says they can't do that task anymore eg EU working time directive for Drs or shortage of support services it's always the nurses who are expected to pick up the slack.One of the worst things I ever heard was a pt being transferred from acute care to Long term care and the ambulance staff called the ward after they had the pt in the ambulance to say that they had been incontinent of faeces in the loading bay at the front of the hospital and they needed a nurse to come down and clean it up!Off went the nurse (RN) from the ward with a bucket of water!

Yay I have just heard I have been succesful with my decision letter and now have to do only 20 days ONP. The decision process took 4 week but for some reason it takes 2 weeks to post a letter.... and I thought Australia post was slow.

I have a sponsor so I'm hoping to be there in April

*doing a happy dance now*

Where are you taking your ONP? Finishing my onsite part of it today in Manchester ( now to finish 2 papers before I can get my pin)

Specializes in NICU.

Muppet, congrats! If you don't mind, would you post what type of degree you have and how many clinical/theory hours? It'd be very helpful for folks reading this. No worries if not. Also, you are from Australia, yes?

Nole, I am taking it at the University of Bournemouth (south) in a few weeks. Very excited! The only drag is that DH can't come along because he's doing his full-time student internship. I'm bringing two empty suitcases to lug some more of his stuff from his old room with his parents, though. Slightly tempted to throw some of the stuff out...lol.

Anyone been to the far south of England? I've only been to London, Sheffield, and Reading...I was thinking of visiting Dover to see the English Channel :) It's been a dream to swim across it since I was a teenager; I love open water swimming. Any other recommendations anyone?

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

New Forest is a good place to visit and I also enjoyed Portsmouth and Southampton (lived Portsmouth for 12 months before moving to Canada)

Where are you taking your ONP? Finishing my onsite part of it today in Manchester ( now to finish 2 papers before I can get my pin)

Hi Nole, I'm taking my ONP in Bournemouth. I like the 3 contact days and the rest allows me plenty of time to sightsee.

How have you found the ONP process? Is it difficult?

Muppet, congrats! If you don't mind, would you post what type of degree you have and how many clinical/theory hours? It'd be very helpful for folks reading this. No worries if not. Also, you are from Australia, yes?

Nole, I am taking it at the University of Bournemouth (south) in a few weeks. Very excited! The only drag is that DH can't come along because he's doing his full-time student internship. I'm bringing two empty suitcases to lug some more of his stuff from his old room with his parents, though. Slightly tempted to throw some of the stuff out...lol.

Anyone been to the far south of England? I've only been to London, Sheffield, and Reading...I was thinking of visiting Dover to see the English Channel :) It's been a dream to swim across it since I was a teenager; I love open water swimming. Any other recommendations anyone?

Baby I am from Australia and have a Bachelor of Nursing. Our course is 3 years and covers mental health. I did not get to see the final breakdown of hours that the university did before it was sent to the NMC. My university wanted to send it directly. When I was training we did 2 days every week of clinical placement and 3 days of lectures.

I'm also doing my ONP at Bournemouth so I'd be very interested in how you find them.

I have a job lined up for London. It is with Continental Travelnurse. I was really looking forward to working with them in Scotland and Northern Ireland but apparently they do not have any contracts in those areas.

Baby I love swimming too but don't think I'd take on the channel. I'd be happy to stand and cheer and greet you with a warm blanket and a hot chocolate if you have a go at it.

I'm finding looking for accommodation a bit daunting. I don't want to share with students (20 year olds) but the cost of renting on my own with no income during the ONP is a bit to expensive. I don't want to move in with Fred and Rosemary West types either.

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