ATT for June 2006 Passers

  1. I am just curious, has anyone of you been denied of an ATT because you took the June 2006 Nursing Exams in the Philippines (or are all these just plain rumors?) Any input? If it happened to you personally, may we know the situation of your plight? Thanks.
    Last edit by rn4ever? on Sep 7, '06
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  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from caringnursenj
    I am just curious, has anyone of you been denied of an ATT because you took the June 2006 Nursing Exams in the Philippines (or are all these just plain rumors?) Any input? If it happened to you personally, may we know the situation of your plight? Thanks.

    There is no one that has received an ATT that took the exam in June from any state as of yet. The only ones that have received one are those that actually applied for licensure before they even took that exam.
  4. by   Mike28770
    I have the same question as caringnursenj -- for any june 2006 NLE passer -- have you applied to cgfns for certification(CES)? And what happened? Did it move forward towards ATT or was it stopped coz of PRC problem? Thanks in advance for sharing you experience.
  5. by   gracediwa
    Quote from suzanne4
    There is no one that has received an ATT that took the exam in June from any state as of yet. The only ones that have received one are those that actually applied for licensure before they even took that exam.
    There are people who received their ATT even with the issue of june exam. And yes, they applied after the controversy. and they are so happy to inform me that they have received their ATTs already.

    I believed not all states are very much affected about the issues here. After all, they are not after the Philippine licence since none can use it abroad.
  6. by   suzanne4
    ATTs may start to trickle in, but the bigger issue is going to be getting a VSC, CGFNS is not going to be able to release it. They are contracted by the US Government and cannot just change things..................

    The issue is that an exam was taken, but a license cannot be verified. And this is a requirement of the Visa Screen Certificate, even of CGFNS to take the CGFNS exam for those that insist that they need to do that. And next is getting a job in a hospital. Any of the more reputable facilities that I have had contact with across the country, are refusing to hire a nurse that took that exam, but did not retest. There are already many issues with the other exams and testing there.

    And with the retrogression looming, everyone is going to be affected by it. Even if they come to the US tomorre, they must be in the US for at elast 60 days before a petition can be filed, and there definitely is not that amount of time left.
    Last edit by suzanne4 on Sep 8, '06
  7. by   Dush
    quite a turnaround, wouldn't you say?
  8. by   suzanne4
    Quote from gracediwa
    There are people who received their ATT even with the issue of june exam. And yes, they applied after the controversy. and they are so happy to inform me that they have received their ATTs already.

    I believed not all states are very much affected about the issues here. After all, they are not after the Philippine licence since none can use it abroad.
    I have not seen one yet, or have heard that directly from someone. It has only been that someone heard of it from someone else.

    Think about it, there is always a license verification that is done, and the licenses were not even going to be issued until August, and no state works that fast. Even if there were to be verification that they passed the exam, they would just be coming out now, and there has been no verification.

    Until I actually see proof of it, it does not exist. If they put on their application that they took the exam, then it is up to the state to obtain those results. And the other issue is that CGFN plays a big part in working in the US and they cannot approve anything without some type of verification. They cannot just make an exception, there would have to be months of meetings, as well as proof from US Homeland Security and USCIS, as they are contracted to them, and do not make their own rules. They only provide a service.

    There is a retrogression coming...............you will have more than enough time to get things done right.
  9. by   gracediwa
    suzanne,

    Would it make you happy or at least believe what I just said if they (those who got their ATT) will tell it straight to you that they have received their ATT's despite the Philippine nursing exam controversy? It is not a hearsay! It is true. If you don't want to believe, I will not try to convince you. I just replied to the question CARINGNURSENJ posted.

    ANd you said yourself that Philippine license is not needed to apply for NCLEX. How come you're saying the opposite now? Have you tried reading every US STATE BON application? If not, then maybe you should now. Because not all state ask for a Philippine to be able to take NCLEX.

    Just to let you know, I didn't say that all US states released ATT.

    ANd about problems with CGFNS, yes you are right at one point. If the exam takers did register and took oath then they will have problems with CGFNS. But not all who took and passed the June Board exam did register. There are thousands who did not register. And that would just mean that they are not licensed, therefore, they don't have a license to be verified. And no problems to deal with CGFNS.

    Here in the Philippines, if you passed but did not register, then you're not considered license.
  10. by   chee_23
    I Believe in everything that Grace said.Thank you
    It seems to me, that in this Forum - there are a lot of issues with regard to obtaining a Licensure from US. When in fact there arent any. You just have to apply & some States do not even require Local licenses.
  11. by   suzanne4
    since what i have been saying all along has been take out of context and mis-interpreted; here it is again.

    the local license from the philippines, or even any other country is not a requirement for getting a license in the us. having a completed set of transcripts is.

    that being said, and i have been saying it for more than one year, do not even bother with the nle and focus on the nclex-rn exam, since most of have been complaining that there is never any work over there to begin with.

    however, the issue now comes up that the exam was taken, if taken in any country, an exam for licensure, then there needs to be a way to verify the passing of that exam, or a license number to verify. makes perfect common sense if you think about it. those are two very separate issues. nle is not required, but if it was taken, then a result needs to be posted for it.

    why would a state want to issue a permit to take a licensing exam for their state when the nurse did not pass their own exam in their country, that would be ridiculous on their part. and until the issues with the exam are resolved, they can't verify anything. and that also goes for us immigration as well. cgfns cannot verify that you have a license there or passed the exam, and that is whst needs to be done.

    if you look at the application for the cgfns exam, it states that a local license is required. we were able to get that waived a few years ago for nurses that trained in another country, and in englihs, and then were unable to get a local license in either country, example a japanese rn that trained in thailand, but in english...they were unable to take the thai boards, and japan would not let them take the japanese boards as they did not train there. that took more that two years to get passed.

    for them to waive the results of this exam, is not done strictly by them, in a decision made in an hour, it takes months and months, and then has to go thru government channels.

    this is what none of you seem to understand.........
    or even care to. but i still stand by what i have said all along, the nle is not required, and never has been, but if you took the exam, then suddenly it becomes required that you have results.
  12. by   suzanne4
    And if you bother to actually take a look at any of the applications, they ask if there was ever a "national" exam taken.......................and that is where the issue is, not the license number, if the exam weas taken it needs to be recorded. And you foreget that there was a list published of all that took the exam and passed, all 17,000 plus.

    If you took the exam, it needs to be accounted for.............that is where the probles lies. No exam taken and those nurses have no porblems at all, and they are receiving their ATTs.
  13. by   Mike28770
    suzanne will you please just humor me and read the instructions and the form for para 13 of the ces application taken from the 2006 handbook for ces --

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.[font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.[font=myriadpro-semiboldit]
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    regarding the application for ces only, it remains my contention that the 06/06 nle takers/passers can in all good faith say in section 13d that they took the philippine nle but the licenses have not been issued by the regulatory commission and the outcome is pending review in the philippine appeals court.

    thanks for taking a look at the handbook....
  14. by   suzanne4
    Quote from mike28770
    suzanne will you please just humor me and read the instructions and the form for para 13 of the ces application taken from the 2006 handbook for ces --

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.
    unquote


    regarding the application for ces only, it remains my contention that the 06/06 nle takers/passers can in all good faith say in section 13d that they took the philippine nle but the licenses have not been issued by the regulatory commission and the outcome is pending review in the philippine appeals court.

    thanks for taking a look at the handbook....
    i have seen the handbook and also am very familiar with what is states, and again, there is no way that anything can be verified. and as i have been saying all along, if the sole purpose is to work in the us, then do not even bother with that exam, it is not required, unless you plan to work in a state that still requires the cgfns exam, such as michigan. otherwise spend the money towards prep for the nclex exam.

    the issue becomes that the exam was written..........if never written, tnen no issue. there is already much talk going on in the us right now all over the country about what happened over the past few months.

    cgfns is unable to change a ruling that they have in place...........if an exam was written, there needs to be verifiable results of passing, same way that you do not see someone that has not passed get the ces.

    just makes common sense, and we do use that over here. i am also in contact with hr directors all over the country, and they are not willing to even take a chance of employing a nurse that took that exam........too many legal issues around it. going to a large state hr meeting next week, where i am sure that it will be a very big topic.

    cgfns also is the one that issues the vsc, and they cannot do that either without at least passing that can be verified.

    and sorry, but as much as everyone wants to argue with me this week on the topic. put on your thinking cap for a minute.............

    if a new grad applied to a state for licensure, even in june before the exam, they still would need to get thru the ces, and then it takes at least another month or so in most cases for the state to permit the att to be issued.
    many waited until after they took the exam, and were waiting for their results to be posted, and they were; to the world, as well as us immigration, all of the boards of nursing around the world, etc. then the flare-up over the exam and the results................taking you now to middle of july or so, you do the math.............if it takes a good two months before the att is even issued, when the ces is not required, and that would only be to around now; with the ces required, no one has issued them yet. not enough time, cgfns does not work that fast, and especially with the push to get things done the past few months with the impending retrogression.

    and for any one to say that they know of someone is not what i call proof of anything.............and especially with the way that rumors start over there, if i got a dollar for each one that started there in the past year i could have retired and never worked another day in my life.

    way too many he said/she said.....................and without proof......i stand by what i have been saying all along................there are members here from all over the philippines, and actually the third largest membership here, and not one has actually come here and said to me that they got their att recently, and it is in their hands. only people that know of someone, and that means nothing at all without proof that can be verified.

    all of you are welcome to do as you want, some of you will listen to me, and others won't. when you have issues that come up later on that get you into trouble............those that do not want to listen will have to deal with it.

    your choice on what to do, i never make anyone do something that they do not want to do, they just need to live by it later on and be able to do so.

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