Sorry another ques. Was this write up justified?

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I came in to work one day and got report from the day shift nurse that a resident's wife thought he wasn't acting right and wanted to know if he should go to the hospital. The day shift nurse assessed him and couldn't find anything really wrong so she just reassured the wife that since he'd just had a stroke, that his symptoms were synonomous with that diagnosis.

So here I come to do my assessments. After checking his vitals, his respirations were 32/min. but his O2 sat was 99%. We got him up for supper and he did really well (I documented all this carefully). After putting him to bed, I went to check on him b/c wife said she would call at bedtime. I noticed he was having 20-30 sec. periods of apnea and wasn't responsive. I was unable to get a B/P on him and his pulse was nearly non-existent. I checked his chart and he was a full code, so I immediately called the ambulance, gathered up the crash cart and placed him on O2. We transferred him to our local hospital (rural) and they then transferred him to a bigger city hospital.

My DON wrote me up for not recognizing the early symptoms of respiratory distress, as evidenced by the resp. rate of 32 initially. She said I should have called the doc right then and there and placed him on oxygen. My only argument was that his sat was 99%. Does this write up sound valid?

Blessings, Michelle

Specializes in LTC, SNF.

I would love to see that documentation you are using - may help us all remember the basics!

The lessons I would take away from this are:

1) Listen to the family member who says he doesn't seem "right." They know.

2) Question things even if just one parameter is way off.

You should not have been written up. You and the charge should have had some more education on what to watch for, and been given some protocol to follow. Yeah, right. ;)

Specializes in ER.

If a family member says something isn't right I do a good thorough assessment, because 99/100 they are right, AND it's something serious.

Just going by your assessment, with RR 32, normal mentation (for him), and appetite, and the ability to eat comfortably, I would have watched and waited for a short time. In hospital I would have kept him on a moniter, but in a NH keep him close to the nurses station where you can assess him Q5min. I would have expected him to be much better or much worse in a fairly short amount of time, and encouraged him to deep breathe and cough- it may be a mucus plug he needs to move out.

As far as the write up- does your documentation reflect the concern you had for him? Frequent reassessments? If you were writing Q15min I'd be happy, but also would encourage you to transport out anyone that required that level of care for more than an hour. It's OK to take some time to make a decision, IMO, but you need to show in your notes how you were thinking and what you did.

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

You got written up for this? Wow....I always to teaching and training over issues like this. If you had be counseled before about something like this then a write up might be appropriate but penanlizing someone for this?? How is the patient by the way?

Specializes in Geriatrics.

CapeCod: Last I heard, he was transferred to a bigger facility in the city to be closer to his family and a place that is more acute than we are. I really beat myself up over this one...and because of this particular situation, I have gone back on . I've already informed both my DON's that I will call them whenever in doubt and do whatever they recommend.

Blessings, Michelle

CapeCod: Last I heard, he was transferred to a bigger facility in the city to be closer to his family and a place that is more acute than we are. I really beat myself up over this one...and because of this particular situation, I have gone back on malpractice insurance. I've already informed both my DON's that I will call them whenever in doubt and do whatever they recommend.

Blessings, Michelle

Never ever ever ever go OFF of malpractice!

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