Will I get in trouble ? ? ? - page 5

Hello, I am a 2nd yr nursing student, I graduate in May. I had an OR observation yesterday and was able to watch an endo lap chole. I may add that I was very excited as my goal is to become an OR... Read More

  1. Visit  lemmyg profile page
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    I am so sorry, I did not read your response yet when I worte the above comment, and did not mean to seem insensitive. I hope things do work out for you, best of luck!
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  2. Visit  hikernurse profile page
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    Did you talk to your school about ways you can be accountable? I know you've learned your lesson, but if you offer to find ways to make this a learning experience for other students, that might help. I know for nurses, not just students, accepting responsibility for mistakes and misjudgments is an important part of the learning process.

    Perhaps you could offer to write up your experience (without ANY identifying info--it will of necessity need to be fairly vague) for the nursing school newsletter, sharing what you've learned or offer to speak to classes of nursing students about the ramifications of not obeying the rules.

    The biggest apology letter ever to the hospital outlining your learning experience from this event and accepting full responsibility, noting that you broke the school rule about cell phones would help. It is hard for hospitals to place the never ending stream of students, acknowledge that and let them know that their efforts are appreciated and that you regret placing future student placement in jeopardy.

    I can tell you did not intend to cause harm and this is a hard lesson to learn! It also probably won't be the last time you make an error, but those who learn from mistakes tend to make fewer ones in the future .

    Good luck!! I wish you well.
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  3. Visit  violetgirl profile page
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    I pray this all works out for you!
    We are human, we make mistakes...
    God Bless You during this time.
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  4. Visit  Virgilio profile page
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    This is upsetting, I hope your school de-colon-ifies their heads. Any conversation about common sense should include your schools lack of it for failing to make it clear to you that this unacceptable before the fact. So many of these posts are scolding you for lack of judgement, but I don't think this is such a 2 dimensional problem.

    As a military leader, I really hope that your faculty is getting their butts handed to them for creating a lax atmosphere surrounding the use of electronics in a HIPAA environment. I really hope they are getting their butts handed to them for failing to make it unquestionably clear that this is unsat, and realizing that students may "forget" and as leaders they may need to " course correct" and remind students not to use electronics. Should they only have to tell you once? Whatever. They should know that they are responsible for your actions still at this point in your training. It sounds like it was buried in your handbook and not emphasized or made clear enough. Are you responsible to read everything presented to you? of course! But they still have to guide you.

    I hope that your faculty is getting their butts handed to them for allowing what seems to be an enthusiastic student fall by the wayside. I hope that the gravity of their decision on your life is clear to them.

    They have a clear opportunity to put you on the right path and teach you a lesson that you won't forget, and meanwhile create a quality nurse in the process. Leadership failures that are allowed to cascade down to follower-ship are the worst kind because they are self perpetuating and easily covered up.

    Just my two cents, I hope that your appeal is successful. If not I hope that my response helps you get through the Anger stage of the five stages of grief, it certainly reflects the outrage I feel at your situation.

    A big part of me thinks that cooler heads will prevail for you and your appeal will go through on Monday. Good luck and let us know.
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  5. Visit  umbdude profile page
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    I think people nowadays always have knee-jerk reactions to want to pull out their smartphones to take pictures about everything. It's become quite ridiculous.

    In a professional environment that values privacy, taking that picture is nothing less than gross negligence. Think of it from the patient's viewpoint, if I were that patient and I find out that some creep I don't even know took a picture of my internal organ, you bet I'd be mad and complain to the doctors/nurses in charge.
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  6. Visit  Kimynurse profile page
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    I'm so sorry, we are human, but sometimes they expect nurses/students to be perfect.
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  7. Visit  cathering profile page
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    Sending good wishes your way! I hope the Monday meeting goes well. I just said a quick prayer for you! Let us know what happened
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  8. Visit  Skips profile page
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    I'm sorry, but it's very unprofessional to have your cell phone out during any clinical experience. I'd say you should be reprimanded for it. In my program, I would have been in huge trouble for that.
  9. Visit  ProudStudent profile page
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    It stinks that you were removed from the program, but the rules are the rules and they must make you understand how much of a liability this could have been. Like someone said in an earlier post, you could have diminished the relationship between your school and the clinical site. I'm sorry for your hardship, we all know how hard you worked to get into the program.

    Now, "chop-chop, lollipop"...you've got some work to do! Get back in there and change their minds about you please.
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  10. Visit  Skips profile page
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    Quote from Jenn77x1
    Yeah ! I have NOT corrected her, lol !

    I sooooo hope that they give me another chance.

    The VP said that to me today, she said " I bet you never make that mistake again "
    While I do agree that you made a mistake, I do not feel like you should have gotten kicked out of the program. I apologize. I hope you can work yourself back in. Best wishes!
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  11. Visit  BuckyBadgerRN profile page
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    Why would the school have to "make it clear" what their policies are. She says she KNEW that cell phones were NOT allowed at clinicals yet "everyone does it". That doesn't make it right. I'm assuming that the OP can read, and DID read the policies set forth by her school. It sounds as thought the school is NOT creating a lax attitude for violation of the policy---she used her phone in clinical, KNOWING it wasn't allowed and got caught. To blame the school or facility for any of this is ridiculous....

    Quote from Virgilio
    This is upsetting, I hope your school de-colon-ifies their heads. Any conversation about common sense should include your schools lack of it for failing to make it clear to you that this unacceptable before the fact. So many of these posts are scolding you for lack of judgement, but I don't think this is such a 2 dimensional problem.

    As a military leader, I really hope that your faculty is getting their butts handed to them for creating a lax atmosphere surrounding the use of electronics in a HIPAA environment. I really hope they are getting their butts handed to them for failing to make it unquestionably clear that this is unsat, and realizing that students may "forget" and as leaders they may need to " course correct" and remind students not to use electronics. Should they only have to tell you once? Whatever. They should know that they are responsible for your actions still at this point in your training. It sounds like it was buried in your handbook and not emphasized or made clear enough. Are you responsible to read everything presented to you? of course! But they still have to guide you.

    I hope that your faculty is getting their butts handed to them for allowing what seems to be an enthusiastic student fall by the wayside. I hope that the gravity of their decision on your life is clear to them.

    They have a clear opportunity to put you on the right path and teach you a lesson that you won't forget, and meanwhile create a quality nurse in the process. Leadership failures that are allowed to cascade down to follower-ship are the worst kind because they are self perpetuating and easily covered up.

    Just my two cents, I hope that your appeal is successful. If not I hope that my response helps you get through the Anger stage of the five stages of grief, it certainly reflects the outrage I feel at your situation.

    A big part of me thinks that cooler heads will prevail for you and your appeal will go through on Monday. Good luck and let us know.
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  12. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    Quote from ColleenRN2B
    Why would the school have to "make it clear" what their policies are. She says she KNEW that cell phones were NOT allowed at clinicals yet "everyone does it". That doesn't make it right. I'm assuming that the OP can read, and DID read the policies set forth by her school. It sounds as thought the school is NOT creating a lax attitude for violation of the policy---she used her phone in clinical, KNOWING it wasn't allowed and got caught. To blame the school or facility for any of this is ridiculous....
    Isn't pretty much every student required to acknowledge receipt of and reading of the SON handbook? I know my school required this over 10 years ago.

    Considering the blatant disregard of school policy, disregard for patient privacy, and possibly endangering a clinical location for the school, I would think the student would be incredibly lucky to have a successful appeal on Monday. OP, I certainly hope things work out for you and that you learn the lesson from this and take it to heart. I also hope your school doesn't suffer any ill effects of your action, and that you keep in mind that you are not the only person at risk of being expelled in this situation- you may have inadvertently affected every student in your school. Clinical locations are in short supply, which is probably part of why your program acted so harshly, as they are trying to salvage their own reputation at the hospital and maintain the clinical site. Even if you are allowed to stay in the program, you may continue to have problems if the hospital chooses to not allow your presence as a student.
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  13. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from Jenn77x1
    Hello,

    Thanks to everyone for their comments whether positive or negative. Our nursing program does NOT want us to have cell phones at clinical. They are suppose to be left in our cars or secured in some other way and we can only check them at lunch. Everyone DOES take them to clinical though because where I'm at for clinicals you must take a shuttle to the hospital from your car and no one has time to do that during lunch and the majority of us have kids. I was wearing my own scrubs not OR scrubs, I didn't have my clinical bag because I knew that I would be in the OR without a place to have my things throughout the day. I have a degree in psychology and I know the importance of protecting a patients information, this is or wasn’t the same thing. I was disconnected from the patient in this situation.

    In regards to “I should have known better because I'm a 2nd year student" is really irrelevant, HIPAA has not been drilled into our heads from the beginning.This was a common sense issue not a HIPAA rule that I should have known. It is not a HIPAA violation by the way but a violation of privacy. I'm NOT a Nurse, I am a student and A EXCELLENT CARE TAKER ~ but I have and will make mistakes.

    I was standing in the corner of the OR for hours, I could not even see the patient, and the only thing I could see is the 5 monitors that were showing the inside of the patient’s stomach. I'm not denying that I made a HUGE mistake but I am saying that this mistake should not define who I am, what kind of Nurse I would be, or be an indication of my judgment as a professional. I didn't try to hide taking the picture as there was a RN and X-ray tech standing right over my shoulder ( btw-the nurse was taking pictures out of a product catalog and texting it to her friends for orders) .

    I'm a nerd, I love medicine and biology, I have a microscope at home, I want to be an OR nurse . . . I was in awe! After staring at the monitors for a long time, I separated what I was seeing on the monitors from the patient. I wasn'tthe nurse in the OR; if I was I would have been doing my job.

    So my appointment was yesterday not today and I did get removed from the program. I had two meetings yesterday and one with the VP of Academic/StudentAffairs today. The VP set-up a meeting for me on Monday with herself, the Dean and the dept head so I have no idea what will happen then. I'm in the process of writing an apology letter to all involved. I do in fact believe that there should be some type of probation or disciplinary action but having said that I believe that removal from the program is a little harsh. I feel like my heart has been ripped out of my chest as I want this more than anything. I have spent the last 31 months of life fighting everyday to be good enough to make it to the end. I have watched my friends fail out all around me and I'm actually passing and making it but I had to go and do something completely thoughtless to mess it up.

    Could those of you that don't think I'm a horrible person please send any extra Ju`Ju that you may have my way ~ I need all of the help I can get right now . .. This is absolutely the worst feeling in the world !
    No one thinks you are a bad person nor that you would be a bad nurse. It is just one of those things that it is what it is. I am so very sorry this happened to you....very sorry. But I knew that this would not be taken lightly. I've been a nurse a long time and I knew this would be a cardinal sin.

    I have been in awe at many things during my career....but I have never felt compelled to take a picture. I've been a nurse for 35 years......I'm as nerdy as they come. Again....it doesn't matter what the other nurses were doing.....it matters what YOU were doing that matters.

    I am sending you prayers and I hope a miracle comes your way.
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