We all failed! - page 2

Today we got back the paper that counts for 30% of our grade in Fundamentals and everyone, myself included failed. As far as our instructor is concerned no one, not a single soul, did exactly as she... Read More

  1. by   Batman24
    If the entire class is failing then the instructor needs to have a review done ASAP by her superiors. Something is terribly wrong and it needs to be addressed immediately.

    I also don't like how you are being told you failed on quizzes, but you haven't seen them. How are you supposed to learn if you don't actually see the errors you made?! That's absurd.

    Hand in there. Now that the school is aware and having meetings perhaps things will improve. I am so sorry this is happening to you.
  2. by   MMARN
    Wow! That's absolutely terrible! The good thing is that some type of action has been taken and that someone of authority is willing to listen to you guys. I have found that whenever there is a prof who's very set in his/her ways, that if everyone in the class sticks together and supports each other, it can lessen the stress and burden that an individual may have. My nursing class is a family. We all give each other advice and we complain and rant to each other when one of our profs is being particularly unfair. I'm glad that someone seems on the verge of taking action and standing up for you guys. Hang in there, and rely on your classmates (the ones who are trustworthy and actually care about you) who can be a wonderful support system. I wish you the best of luck and keep us updated.
  3. by   RN08
    She is horrible! This has to be so discouraging for you all but it is not your fault! Hope things will work out.
  4. by   CHATSDALE
    i remember once when something similiar happen and the whole class failed a test and the instructor went back over the material, stated she didn't know why there was gliche but that we needed to know this material before we went on..and we did
    good luck i hope that you can get things back on track
  5. by   Lovely_RN
    We had our meeting with the dean and a VP showed up as well. It was a really emotional day; we have all been under an immense amount of stress because of the constant verbal abuse and threats from this woman. People actually broke down and cried (male and female) when they talked about their experiences in the program.

    Our dean and VP were absolutely shocked and horrified to learn about what is really going on in the class. They claim to have known that she is a tough instructor but they agreed with us that what she has been doing (screaming, name calling, and intimidating people to keep them from complaining) is abusive. They also agree that her teaching methods (or should I say lack of) leave much to be desired. We were told that she is great in her capacity as chair but that there were some reservations from the start about her teaching the class.

    We have been promised that immediate changes are going to take place. The semester is almost over so they cannot do anything about her teaching this class but she will NOT be teaching during future semesters.

    I am not looking forward to Monday morning despite the promises that have been made, it can only be uncomfortable. So I have my fingers crossed and I am praying that things get better. I don't expect to be babied through nursing school but I can't stand to be yelled at or sit there while my class mates are being screamed at. I am tired of the M-F 9am-6pm schedule, sometimes with only half an hour lunch break because she encroaches on our time. I am tired of being told all of the time that we are all failing but never seeing anything with a grade on it or ever having any test returned sot that I can SEE what questions I got wrong. I am just really fed up with it all and I don't know the reasons behind whey she does what she does but I shouldn't have to figure it out.

    Anyhow, wish us all luck.
  6. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from Falon
    We had our meeting with the dean and a VP showed up as well. It was a really emotional day; we have all been under an immense amount of stress because of the constant verbal abuse and threats from this woman. People actually broke down and cried (male and female) when they talked about their experiences in the program.

    Our dean and VP were absolutely shocked and horrified to learn about what is really going on in the class. They claim to have known that she is a tough instructor but they agreed with us that what she has been doing (screaming, name calling, and intimidating people to keep them from complaining) is abusive. They also agree that her teaching methods (or should I say lack of) leave much to be desired. We were told that she is great in her capacity as chair but that there were some reservations from the start about her teaching the class.

    We have been promised that immediate changes are going to take place. The semester is almost over so they cannot do anything about her teaching this class but she will NOT be teaching during future semesters.

    I am not looking forward to Monday morning despite the promises that have been made, it can only be uncomfortable. So I have my fingers crossed and I am praying that things get better. I don't expect to be babied through nursing school but I can't stand to be yelled at or sit there while my class mates are being screamed at. I am tired of the M-F 9am-6pm schedule, sometimes with only half an hour lunch break because she encroaches on our time. I am tired of being told all of the time that we are all failing but never seeing anything with a grade on it or ever having any test returned sot that I can SEE what questions I got wrong. I am just really fed up with it all and I don't know the reasons behind whey she does what she does but I shouldn't have to figure it out.

    Anyhow, wish us all luck.

    Falon, please feel free to update us. We're always happy to help students, and especially ones who've been caught in this kind of dysfunction of the educational system.

    (((((Hugs to all of you, may all be well from now on and may you all perservere in getting your nursing degrees)))))
  7. by   GardenDove
    Wow, that's very encouraging news! Sometimes the right thing really does happen!!!
  8. by   Gromit
    Good lord, I'm SO glad my nursing school experience didn't include THAT!
    I know myself. I would not take kindly to having an instructor yell at me, and certainly not call me names. I'd be way too inclined to uhm, correct the instructor -and not in a very nice way. I'm no bully -never have been. But by that same token, I will not be bullied either. Too old for that! We are supposed to be adults, after all. Sounds like this instructor has some serious emotional or psychological baggage -and that really shouldn't be YOUR problem.
    Here's to hoping the dean and vp weren't just blowing smoke up your derrier, and that changes really WILL be made. Kudos to all of you for standing up and attempting to make changes. With a little luck, you will have saved future students from the strife you have endured.
  9. by   forumuser
    a similar thing happened to us about a month ago, i posted for the first time with the heading, "teacher fired". it was too long of a story to tell, so i just gave the basic info, but our teachers sound very similar. luckily, our teacher was fired, even though we had only 2 weeks of the semester left. the DON of our program took over, and i really respect her for that. because i had almost lost all respect for our program until she FINALLY did something about it!!! looking back, firing that teacher was the ONLY OPTION THEY REALLY HAD (of course that's my opinion, but that's the only opinion that really matters when i'm crying in bed at night, if you know what i mean!!!) i'm glad your program is going to see some changes, although, i don't think it's ever TOO LATE to fire a horrible teacher!
  10. by   linzz
    I feel your pain. This sounds like a very harsh instructor. How long ago did you write the quiz. She should have a mark for you within a week at most. Anything longer, without a good reason is not acceptable. This may sound strange but I have had instructors that are very hard at first and failed everyone on their first assignment as a way of instilling fear and yet somehow pass everyone by the end of the course. I do agree with one of the other posters though, it is like beating your kids each day to get them to respect you. Uggh! I don't agree with it though because fear is not always a productive way to learn and whether she likes it or not, you are the consumer of this college and she needs to actually teach and grade or she should be looking for employment elsewhere. Good luck and I hope this situation turns around.
  11. by   linzz
    Sorry just read your post again. Forget my first post. She sounds horrible. I really do hope that the school doesn't let her teach again. No student should have to tolerate that sort of harrassment. Kudos to your class for standing up for the future of the next class.
  12. by   Lovely_RN
    Ugh! We are still dealing with the fall out of all of this drama.

    On Monday the dean and the VP came to speak and in a nutshell we were told that our instructor/chair was sorry and things would improve. We were told that her class was cancelled for the day but that she would come to speak with us before the week was out. Well, she showed up today and gave a half-a** sarcastic apology...one of those...well I am sorry if YOU were offended, sorry if YOU mis-understood my intentions sort of things. Then she went on to say that she just wants us to get to the point of passing the boards and that this is all for us because SHE already has her RN license and PhD to boot.

    Anyhow, it's a long story so I am condensing it.

    She tried to side track us with a discussion about the paper and she decides at that point to explain very explicitly what we needed to do for the paper (she never did this before). After she was finished she asked us what was so hard to understand (more sarcasm) about that and why no one had ever come to her and asked for clarification :angel2many of us did btw).

    Most of the class was silent but one brave soul decided to speak up. He said that it was because she intimidates people and talks down to them when they approach her. She looked at him like she wanted to drive a nail through his forehead :trout: but she covered up as best she could and said that she is sorry that WE think she is intimidating and that she has admitted from day one that she is abrasive and that she was born that way and has no intentions of changing.

    So I could tell she was manipulating the situation and I decided to lay it out on the table. I wanted her to state in front of witnesses exactly what she wants from the class because I know better. She was trying to blow smoke up our butts and she was attempting to give as little information as possible, least she be held to her word. I know her type, as soon as the "powers that be" dissapear it's business as usual.

    I asked her what her expectations of the class would be from this day forward. I asked her to lay it out for all of us in full from A-Z so that we would all know what to expect from her. She glared at me, hesitated and then said that she needed something to grade us on. Thought about it some more and then said that she could go by the paper (revised) and our presentations because they had improved. Some people from the class protested because they don't want to do her paper over again because they feel that she will give them a poor grade no matter what. So she offered another option, we can trash the paper but then we would have to take a cumulative final (good God NO!) and some people (who obviously hadn't thought it through) agreed to that.

    So I raised my hand again (I like to live dangerously) and said that the peer-learning/peer-teaching method is excellent but sometimes the presentations have errors or information is left out...so would she be willing to fill in those blanks or correct mis-information since she is the expert?

    She said we could refer to our books and supplemental readings to get information but that she would be willing to do a review during the last class before the exam (I hope no one was dumb enough to believe her).

    So I thanked her and said: "Ok, Dr ____ so you are saying we have two options...we can finish our presentations and revise our paper or we can finish our presentations and have cumulative final? Am I correct? I just want to make sure that EVERYONE in the room understands what the options are?

    She said yes those are your options.

    Excellent! So at last we have pinned her down on what it is that we have to do in front of her bosses. Trust me that was a Herculean task.

    After all of that she was waiting for a decision and some people in the class were ready to decide right then and there but...

    Luckily, another brave soul said they wanted to have a class vote in private. Lol, I actually found that funny cuz if she could have smacked that person she would have but she agreed because her boss was standing right next to her.

    The class as a whole debated the merits of each action and a third option was offered. We were offered the option to stop her class and pick it up next semester with a new instructor.

    It sounds like a good idea but I think it's a really bad one upon further examination. Who is going to be a part of the interview process and hiring decision? Our chair. Who is going to decide on the curriculum? Our chair. Who is still going to be the chair of our dept? Our chair. Who is going to sign the form that goes to the state when it comes time for boards? Our chair.

    I don't think we should earn her eternal spite by requesting that she no longer instruct us. It would be one thing if we could flat out get rid of her but we can't and there is no sense in making her anymore pissed off than she is right now. Besides the semester is almost over and she WILL NOT be allowed to teach after this class and that is the biggest bonus of all.

    I think that she knows now that she has to toe the line and will likely be fairer with grading a re-write of her paper. Also, we were supposed to do the presentations, paper, and have a cumulative final exam. She is giving us the option to do a final or a paper. So she is willing to make a concession and I am actually grateful because I don't want a final exam from this woman.

    I will let you all know how the vote turns out.
  13. by   GardenDove
    Thanks for the update. You're right, the melodrama is rather too much... What a weird and unbalanced woman. I wonder what's wrong with her, she really sounds like a shrew.

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