MA saying she's "the same as an RN" - page 7
At my job, we are offered classes each month for our CEU's as LNA's. We were at one the other day for some psych training, and we were asked what we wanted to be doing in 5 years. Myself and... Read More
Jan 20, '06I just want to say well said Missy!!!!
As an MA student thank you so much for standing up for those of us who DON"T think we are nurses, but who still enjoy the job we do and think that we are skilled at what we do. I'm
Jan 1, '07Wow. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be with an assitant placing my cath or IV line. I was shocked to learn that a MA could do this. Isn't the point of the nursing profession to make sure that nurses are trained to do these procedures properly? MA's do not have a board that governs them. I'll have to research this...
Jan 2, '07How times have changed! I graduated from a 2 year MA program in 1993, and we were not to do anything invasive.
Also in my area, MA's actually have nametags that say " clinic nurse" as if there is a difference between clinic and hospital nursing? MA is MA- not nurse. I honestly did not realize the full difference between MA and nursing until I was in the nursing program. Alot of MA's think they do the same as nurses, and many might in the clinical setting, but the difference is quite large.
Jan 2, '07Yeah, that bugs me too. At my doctor's office they have MA's, not nurses, yet they call themselves nurses & even the docs refer to them as nurses. It really bugs me. I am currently an LVN & about to graduate in May as an RN, I am also very careful about not confusing my title.
Jan 2, '07I am currently going to school to become a medical assistant and our professors have told us that when we graduate we are not LPNs or RN'S they said to become that you have to go to more schooling. it sounds like that women who says that she will be a nurse needs to get her facts straight and i agree with you Kelly the great,wannabern
Jan 2, '07I will soon be an RN...however when I worked as a Tech..some patients would refer to me as a nurse...I would always correct them! At that time I had not been through the schooling and put in my time to be called a nurse! My mom is a MA and she would never tell someone or allow someone to think she was a nurse!!
Jan 2, '07The MA at my sons school passed herself off as a nurse until I specifically asked her what her degree was in. *sigh* She then proceeded to tell me she "can do everything a nurse can do." Scary.
Jan 2, '07Quote from allthingsbrightIn a sense that may be true because the definitions basically state that the MA can work under the doctors liscence, so I suppose they really could perform brain surgery if the doctor felt that they were capable and took on the liability.The MA at my sons school passed herself off as a nurse until I specifically asked her what her degree was in. *sigh* She then proceeded to tell me she "can do everything a nurse can do." Scary.
This is one of the reasons why people are pushihg for liscensure for MA's. They need a better defined scope of practice.
Jan 2, '07It doesn't bother me that someone wants the same title I earned. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If it makes her feel good to call herself a nurse when she isn't what do I care?
Jan 2, '07In the state of Pennsylvania, MA are not required to even have to attend school. They can be hired on and provide training at the office. I really beg to differ that they are the same as a RN. All this craziness ,BS, family neglecting,crying,anxiety,swearing,studying and hoop jumping I am doing is allowing me to EARN (hopefully,just a student) the title of a RN.No disrespect for MA's at all,very important job but certainly NOT a Registered Nurse. Isn't that illegal to claim to be a RN,when not?
Jan 2, '07i am a cma (certified medical assistant) in oregon. i graduated from a 9 month program back in 1999. i'm currently enrolled in a lpn program which is 13 months.
before i started this program i can say that i compaired myself to an rn. i must say though that the cna's do know alot more that they are given credit for.
i've worked for a couple of hospitals in the urgent care depts. there is absolutly no critical thinking skills that we were taught in the ma program. most of the ma's i've worked with just do the bare min. to get the job done. i do like to learn what the orders are that we are given from the dr. ma's work directly under the dr.
ma's can draw blood, vitals, ecg's, injections, give meds, and can even take x-rays if licensed.
i'm learning so much in the lpn program and do not see how cma's or cna's can say they are nurses. i've called a couple of my co-workers out and have always corrected patients when they have called me a nurse.
call her out on it!!!!
lpn student in oregon
Jan 2, '07There's a girl who I work with. She's a little older than me (I'm 20, she's probably 25 or 26). She's been a CNA for about 3 years while I've been a CNA for about 4 months or so. We're also in nursing school together. Anyway, I was orienting at the hospital under her. She's a really cool person but she kind of thinks she knows a lot about everything. She does know a lot, but she acts like she knows more than she does and thinks that anyone who's been hired after her automatically knows less than she does... I don't know, it just gets on my nerves sometime.
Oh, I throw this on in there. One time we were dealing with poop... I'll just leave it at that. For some reason she comes off and says, "We're going to have to get you to stop being afraid of this." I was like, what the crap, I don't mind poop and I never have (when working.. you know how it goes). I mean, if it needs to be done then it needs to be done. Just remarks like that get on my nerves. But I don't work with her all the time, so it's okay. Plus I just deal with it by not caring what she says most of the time.. Other than that she's pretty cool.
Jan 3, '07Having read through these posts I think that people are missing the point, although pedsnursetobe and couple of others have danced around it. RN's have a license and independently practice nursing. MA's (and CST's for that matter) fall under the heading of unlicensed assistive personnel (UAP) or Unlicensed Health Care Provider (UHCP) (since UAP is sometimes used only for delegated nursing practice). This is the same title that most states put CNA's under(although some states put CNA's under UAP and MA's under UHCP). UAP's work under someone elses license usually the physician. I was unaware that MA's could work under a nurses license, but it does make sense. There is really no critical thinking skills taught as there is in nursing, but some get pretty good after a while. They definitely should not introduce themselves as nurses.
Here is a department of labor description that is pretty good and unbiased:
As to why they are used instead of nurses, it is a matter of money. Even with the poor pay for office nurses you can hire two MA's for the price of one nurse. You also can use the MA's for other duties such as scheduling or filing. Also in some states MA's can get limited scope X-ray certification which is helpful in a small office. Realistically do you need an RN to do most stuff in a typical office? Now I would prefer an RN, but when you ask most Doc's are they willing to take a 24k pay hit for that, most won't. Now if you are using someone to run a triage line for example I would much rather have an RN than an MA doing this job (see the critical thinking part above) and I've seen it attempted with MA's.
I think that MA's do a fine job in a typical practice as long as they aren't pushed beyond their scope of practice (the most typical problem I've seen).
David Carpenter, PA-C