How ironic that this is an issue in an ethics class - page 5

Our first essay (the final copy) in our ethics class is due two weeks from today. What the professor had us do was bring 2 hard copies to class last week, one goes to him, the other you trade with... Read More

  1. by   NeoNurseTX
    Glad you told on him/her. If they'll do that in school, no telling what they'll do in practice!
  2. by   ltg623
    I agree with the others you have to turn the person in. If you cheat to get through nursing school what will you do when you are out there caring for patients. I had something similar happen when I was in CNA class. In the state I live you have to be a CNA to be accepted in nursing school. We took an exam and then the instructor passed out the completed exams for us to correct one of our classmates. The instructor left the room for a moment and two of the students were talking to everyone and asking what individuals put for certain answers. What I realized was that when they got the answers they would change their answers, so in the end they got a better grade. I turned them in and they were asked to leave the program for cheating. The instructor asked why I turned them in and my response was if they have to cheat to become CNA's and they then go on to nursing school they could be potential dangers to their patients. It is a hard thing to turn in a classmate but it is the right thing to do.

    My yougest son was cited for plagarism for not correctly citing a paper when he was a senior in H.S. I know the paper was his own, however because his citings were not in correct APA format they English teacher and the principal stated it was considered plagarism. To add to this, I am currently taking a Research and REporting class for my BSN in which we are writing a major research paper. This week we reviewed two rough drafts of fellow students and one of the students did the same thing my son did and the instructor who has a Master's in English stated if this were her final draft she could be sited for plagarism.
    Last edit by ltg623 on Oct 6, '06
  3. by   olderthandirt
    Would the average person doing that editing, find the plagerism? I mean why would she take the chance? It seems to me that it would not normally be found unless looking for it. I vote to let the professor find it and if he doesn't, then he isn't really concerned about plagerism. Turning her in would ruin her entire career. Maybe this was a one time thing or maybe not...Damn it's like your between a rock and a hard place
  4. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from olderthandirt
    Would the average person doing that editing, find the plagerism? I mean why would she take the chance? It seems to me that it would not normally be found unless looking for it. I vote to let the professor find it and if he doesn't, then he isn't really concerned about plagerism. Turning her in would ruin her entire career. Maybe this was a one time thing or maybe not...Damn it's like your between a rock and a hard place
    I beg to differ. Cheating is what ruined her, not getting caught.
  5. by   sqky
    Marie_LPN ... you did the right thing by letting the professor know. It shows you have strong ethics. Is that not what the class is about? If the prof would have later found out about the plagerism, he/she could have questioned you if you had found any hint of plagerism. He/she knows you by now, and would have figured out that you just would not make comments on the paper without researching the phrase you did not understand.

    In our classes we learn many different kinds of lessons. I believe you were given a choice in YOUR ethics. You demonstrated sound judgement and followed through appropriately. Keep it up!!
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from olderthandirt
    Would the average person doing that editing, find the plagerism? I mean why would she take the chance? It seems to me that it would not normally be found unless looking for it. I vote to let the professor find it and if he doesn't, then he isn't really concerned about plagerism. Turning her in would ruin her entire career. Maybe this was a one time thing or maybe not...Damn it's like your between a rock and a hard place
    Already said i was not deliberately looking to see if she cheated, i was looking up words that were in the essay. Despite what a few ppl are thinking, this wasn't a witch hunt.
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Oct 7, '06
  7. by   tddowney
    Quote from JJJJJJ6
    MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. DON'T BE A SNITCH. LET THE PROFESSOR FIND OUT ON HIS /HER OWN. REMEMBER, WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. NURSING SCHOOL IS A GAME. YOU PLAY TO WIN, EVEN IF YOU CHEAT A LITTLE.
    The OP stated that her school has an honor code that requires her to act as she did.

    You may consider nursing school a game, but I assure you the profession of nursing is not. Every profession has ethics, for good reason.......innocent people are harmed when those standards are violated by the lazy, the incompetent, or the cheaters.

    If your post accurately represents your thinking, then I sincerely hope you flunk out or get thrown out before you ever touch a patient.
  8. by   truern
    Quote from JJJJJJ6
    MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. DON'T BE A SNITCH. LET THE PROFESSOR FIND OUT ON HIS /HER OWN. REMEMBER, WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. NURSING SCHOOL IS A GAME. YOU PLAY TO WIN, EVEN IF YOU CHEAT A LITTLE.
    <sniff>

    Do I smell the distinctive aroma of...dare I say it?? Troll??
  9. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from truern
    <sniff>

    Do I smell the distinctive aroma of...dare I say it?? Troll??
    I don't know about that, but after the third cliche, I thought we might be playing a new game... add a cliche to the story... a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...
  10. by   lmpotter
    Wasn't part of your assignment of receiving your colleague's paper to edit and make suggestions? It might be less offensive to receive the bad news of the plagiarism from you instead of the embarrassment of being academically reprimanded, and it may allow your colleague time enough to correct the paper, using proper citations.
  11. by   rn/writer
    Quote from lmpotter
    Wasn't part of your assignment of receiving your colleague's paper to edit and make suggestions? It might be less offensive to receive the bad news of the plagiarism from you instead of the embarrassment of being academically reprimanded, and it may allow your colleague time enough to correct the paper, using proper citations.
    If someone gave me a paper to correct and I discovered it was lifted verbatim from another source, I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about the offender's possible feelings of embarrassment. Someone who would do this doesn't exhibit a whole lot of shame. As for giving her the opportunity to do it right, she had that chance the first time.

    Copying something verbatim is not just a matter of omitting the proper citations. This kind of plagiarism isn't sloppy paperwork--it's stealing. And trying to deceive those who believe the work to be your own.

    On a purely practical level, it isn't wise for one student to confront another over an ethical violation such as this one. Especially when this person has already demonstrated a serious lapse in judgment. Unstable people have been known to commit acts of sabotage, start rumors, launch personal attacks, and--for heaven's sake--bring a gun to class and start shooting to even the score.

    Marie, for what it's worth, I'd give you an A in the way you handled this. You didn't just look the other way. You alerted the instructor and put the ball in his court. You're not out to get anyone, but neither are you willing to condone cheating that lands squarely in front of you. Well done.
  12. by   Warpster
    I'd copy the article off the net, complete with the website address, and turn it in with your classmate's plagiarized article, no comment.

    Do you really want anyone's life depending on a nurse who cheated his/her way through school? I don't.

    Chances are this person simply didn't take this class seriously, since it's a non medical class. However, this person needs to repeat this class desperately and pay attention the next time.
  13. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    She wasn't in class this evening either. We were only allowed to two classes, so now i'm thinking she either dropped or was asked to drop.

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