The False Advertising of For-Profit Institutions

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a For-Profit educational institution would be a those colleges that aren't a community/Tech college, and not a University/4-year college, right? They're the ones who run commercials like crazy during the day about how a degree in dry-cleaning technology is at the cutting edge of the industry, right?

I'm asking this- because I've seen some really peculiar commercials. I'm not one to jump on the "lets lynch CMA's" bandwagon, because I worked with some really great CMA's once upon a time. However, I have also worked with, or encountered these other institutions I'm seeing the commercials for, and how full of themselves they are, and generally how misleading they are about the degrees they pedal.

The trigger for this post: a young lady who starts by explaining how she loved to take care of her family when they were sick- the commercial cuts to her wearing surgical scrubs and a stethoscope, standing in what appears to be an ER. She goes on to talk about how it seems logical that the best step in her career would be to get her degree as a Certified Medical Assistant. She then explains how this occupation is at the forefront of the medical field, and how she gets to provide patient care, and education (at which point we see her pointing to a telemetry machine or bedside monitor and "explaining" something to the actor/patient). Now, maybe I'm tired and cranky and making a mountain out of a molehill, but that scene looked just like a dang ER, and if I didn't know better I'd say they were suggesting that CMA's work in the ER now. After the commercial, they show a woman at a desk with a headset at a computer, looking sharp and busy. She then states "after seeing that commercial, I'm sure you have questions about your future career as a medical assistant".

I almost wanted to call the number. Just to ask how much they know about scope of practice. Now, I should explain, one time I was pursuing a career as a CMA (it was CMA vs LPN, I chose LPN). I ended up dialoguing with a recruiter for this school, she was SO PUSHY I couldn't believe it. She was nearly scolding me for considering becoming an LPN because "LPN's are being phased out, and only being used in the nursing home," and if I wanted to work in a clinic then "medical assisting is the up and coming, cutting edge of health care occupations." She then ranted off all the "cool things" CMA's do, from nebs, to injections, and by the time she got to the part about assisting MD's with procedures, she was almost hysterical. I chose LPN, and I actually did all of those things and more...IN A CLINIC none the less!

Back to the commercials. There is one commercial where they show a waiting room and a CMA comes out with a chart and calls the patient by her first and last name, and *OH!* it turns out that the patient is an old friend of the CMA (and please, remember this is not an attack on CMA's it's on the institutions who pedal the degree) and she then engages her friend in a discussion about her condition, and opens the patient's chart. OOPSIES! The last part of the commercial involves the CMA telling her patient friend how cool her job is- and the best part? "I get to wear totally cute scrubs!"

WHOO! I know all the CMA's I worked with only went to school for the scrubs! And at the conclusion, we see our friend at her desk with her headset, just waiting for us to call...

I could go on, some of the commercials REALLY make it dramatic- they go black and white inde-film style, with muffled narration and really choppy cinematography. Ooooooooo- no messing around with cute scrubs there!

See now these places are pedaling the BSN, and MAN you should hear them toot their horn. Problem is, the last I heard, these places were not ACCREDITED! And the students were left to find their own clinical sites. All to the tune of a private, 4 year college!

I graduated with a ADN at Sanford Brown. So I am one of the people who were ''dumb enough'' to fall for that. Yes sbi lied to me. yes I think I had shotty education. I paid 48,000$ for it. But I graudated and passed the NCLEX the 1st time. They are raking out the nurses by the bus load. But I think if you prove yourself in your abilties as a nurse so what you didnt go to CC or UNF or whatever. Im an RN no matter how I got it. last time I checked the MD you might work probably graduated with a C which is passing so the top of the class MD -graduated, bottom of the class MD - graduated. All the same.

OK... let me take you guys on. I am on the faculty of a "for profit" institution. You are all right. We take the students others don't want. To me, that is a badge of honor.

Ours is a 2 year program. 6 semesters from start (HS education, zero credits in college) to finish. We meet a very pressing need in our community. NV is the state with the highest unemployment rate (I think we are still over 13% OFFICIALLY unemployed. Add those that have given up and those that are underemployed and you have a devastated economy for young adults.) Our state budget is bleeding it's so deep in the red. Consequently they have cut back almost every department in every university and CC in the state, including nursing.

So, we have lots of unemployed and underemployed citizens and we still have a nursing shortage in our part of the state. Our local CC has a massively long waiting list for the nursing program and if you don't have a 3.8 GPA, you're toast.

What would you have these people do? We are really their last chance.

So the next question is... are we any good.

Our NCLEX first time pass rate is above 91%. (We beat the pants off the 4 year college in town.) Three new nurses in one of our recent graduate cohorts were nominated for "rookie of the year" by the largest hospital in town. Our placement rate is in the 90's% and that is artificially low because we've just had 4 graduates who left one job before some 6 month cut-off (they didn't like their positions in a rural LTC and got job offers in the big city instead.) This dings our "placement rate" statistics. Our retention rate is hugely, massively higher than any other program (there are 3) in our area. Meaning, if you start with us, you have above a 75% chance of graduating ON TIME. No one else is doing that.

We are accredited by ACICS and NLNAC. We got glowing evaluations from the examiners for NLNAC. Our state board gave us their blessing shortly after that. From nothing to fully accredited in less than 4 years.

I wish you could meet my students. One is a recently discharged Navy diver... one of those guys who either set explosives or disarm the ones the bad guys left. Incredible young man. I had him in the ICU and started explaining about alveolar ventilation and tidal volume and pCO2 and he immediately began explaining back to me about Oxygen and CO2 in the tanks he wore, CO2 narcosis, the bends, solubility quotients of gasses in solution... Whoa!!! I get to teach this kid because the state schools didn't want him.

You want to hear about the young lady who drives 90 minutes to and from school 3-4 times/week? She leaves her rural community between 3:30 and 4:00 AM (depending upon road conditions) to get to clinical on time. The nursing home where she worked as a CNA is putting her through school. She could NOT have made it through the CC because there would have been no guarantee she would have matriculated to the nursing major. Or how about the single mom with two kids who works full time AND drives from South Lake Tahoe, a similar distance... same situation. Her classmates collect cans and other recyclables to help her pay for her gasoline.

Now, then there's Randall (name changed for FERPA purposes)... an older guy who was a restaurant equipment salesman who in midlife found himself with no job, no prospects and not even 10 minutes of higher education. Do you think the State schools would have given him the time of day? Pfffft... In his second semester he came to me having a lot of difficulty with A&P II (the teacher in that class is very rigorous.) I started showing him some study techniques and he is now getting high B's and A's and has become a class leader, running study groups for other students.

I could go on and on and on. You have no idea how determined most of our students are... or how elitist your posts sound. You don't know our school and you sure as hell don't know my students. Honestly people... you don't know our faculty... you've never looked at our syllabi, our curriculum... never talked to the nurse managers who rave about our graduates. You see the words "For Profit" and all of a sudden you know you're better than we are. Just because in your life you were graced with better opportunities than my students. Shame on you. Really.

YES... there have been horrible abuses of government largess and some schools have been exposed as scams. Consequently the Federal Department of Education has all For-Profits under a microscope. We are forced into a system of accountability that I don't think any state school could satisfy. Their retention and matriculation rates stink compared to ours.

Get your facts straight. And to all the "for-profit" grads who have timidly and apologetically responded on this thread... I say hold your heads up. Be proud of your accomplishments. Did you pass the NCLEX? Then in the eyes of God and the State you are as good as anyone else. Some elitist HR snot throws your resume in the trash? Screw them. Would you want to work for an organization that judges you before they even MEET you??? Just move on.

I'm pretty angry at all of you right now. I suspect you are all better people, fairer people than you appear on this thread.

Very well articulated.

As time goes on, maybe one day, for-profit education will earn the same regard as other institutions. Due to the questionable, historical and current practices of these institutions, it doesn't surprise me that others are still a bit leery.

I think that although the community and technical/vocational colleges are cheaper they are extremely overfilled with student and waiting list I live in Georgia and there are not many seats for any of the nursing programs which is why a lot of the students here turn to these high price schools. I mean you have 500 students applying for 50 to 200 seats at each college and that's all the undergraduates, they may have A's and B's and score high on the entrance exam but there is no space for them here in these colleges, every year there are at least 100 student traveling to South Carolina, Alabama Florida or wherever there are open slots or attending the private colleges. I have to attend Herzing for the BSN because the low cost programs are full and even though I have a 3.76 GPA AND Past my entrance exam with a 89 I still got wait listed by 3 colleges.

I have a 4.0 and got wait listed.

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