Does this seem right to you?? - page 2

Ok, what do you all think of this? In my nursing program you are required to take a basic skills lab. I'm not in the lab right now, but what others have told me about it causes me to be very... Read More

  1. by   nrselisa
    We have too many people for our lab too. We have the LPNs, 1st year RNS & 2nd yr RNS. We have 1 lab that is open for a few hrs for free open lab time & for a few hours of sign off time. We only have 1 lab instructor. She must sign off each student, on each skill. We are alone in the room with the instructor during sign offs. It is very difficult to schedule the time for each student. We are practically fighting over empty time slots! We have begged for there to be more hours of lab time, but there is an instructor shortage. I guess they figured that soon the students would begin weeding out & there would be more spaces available. In the meantime we all have to suffer.

    Lisa
  2. by   shanzo89
    I think the reason that there wasn't enough lab space was because they are starting this new program where everyone enters at the same place, then exits where they want - LPN, AD, or BSN. This is the first year for this program, which will phase out the existing programs for these levels. But they have both programs running this year, so that they have twice as many students, does that make any sense? So they said they either had to drop 30 students from the program, or have 30 students take this lab next semster. There are no pre-reqs for this program, so there are some students who have never had any college courses. The old program had pre-reqs, so a lot of us can fit another class into our schedules next semster. That's why they didn't drop 30 from the program. I hope that makes sense.

    Thanks for the thoughts and prayers for my family. We need them now. The bank told my parents last night that they have 90 days to sell off our dairy cows. This farm has been in the family for over 50 years. But they were thinking of getting out of it eventually, anyway. Our farm used to be in the country, now it's on the edge of the city. Kinda hard to dairy in the city!

    Shannon
  3. by   RNIAM
    That is why I love my program. We are expected to read the Lab info prior to appearing at lab. they show us how to do it. We practice doing it in lab. Then we get checked off on doing it only during clinical. They have a you will do it over and over again until you are checked off and can handle it. I love my school and I love my instructors. I have never been so happy! At least so far.
  4. by   AmyHall
    In our program, the first 3 weeks we were on campus every thursday and friday evening. We were split into groups and watched videos for head to toe assessment, bed bath, oral care, bed making and vital signs. We then had the instructors help us practice. Then we had a skills test that we had to perform in front of the instructor. We are now in a clinical setting for a few weeks then we'll go back to on campus to learn about meds. My program is great. Very organized. I'm glad that we didnt have to do this on our own. If they made us responsible learning on own time, I dont know if i would be that discipline to give it enough of my time because of all the other stuff we have to do.

    Good luck!
    Amy
  5. by   beaRNwhenIgroUP
    wow...shannon i am so sorry about all you are going thru @ this time...things are tough enough w/ school...i'll be thinking of you...

    as far as the lab issue goes...i have to do it to learn it - e.g. when we were learning patient transfers i had to watch it, do it, be transferred... all aspects - ya know...so i signed up for open lab hours, i read and reread, and talked the steps through to myself

    SADLY, the day i signed up for open lab THERE WAS NO FREE LAB SPACE when we got there - UGH - so there were 15 of us practicing IM injections on mannequin (sp?) on a little rolling cart in the HALL - UGH - UGH

    i am often stunned by the paradox of how nursing school expects us to be the most efficient and organized beings walking the earth - yet they can't even manage to keep track of open lab hours!!!

    anyhow - i think i just went off on a rant - sorry

    i'll be interested to hear how everything turns out for you
    Sarah
  6. by   beaRNwhenIgroUP
    originally posted by rhona1
    that is why i love my program. we are expected to read the lab info prior to appearing at lab. they show us how to do it. we practice doing it in lab. then we get checked off on doing it only during clinical. they have a you will do it over and over again until you are checked off and can handle it. i love my school and i love my instructors. i have never been so happy! at least so far.
    waahhhh i am jealous..i wanna go to your school...wanna trade???:d

    just kidding - that's so nice. imho every school should want to produce students that feel that way
    sarah

  7. by   karmagrl
    see olie.......we should have gone with dorothy............




    this all gives me the willies....except that the director of my nursing program.....appears to me to be from the old school of nursing .......
    see one....
    do one........
    teach one......
    and that is a plus......

    i have been told that our couse (lpn) is the same that rn's take.....another plus?

    for the first day of class......i have to have completed 9 homework assignments......this will be no cakewalk.......thank goodness......i was worried..
    (although, i havent seen the lab yet......hmmm?

    cheers....
    k:kiss
  8. by   shanzo89
    Just to update you all, I guess they had a skills test in this class and a lot of people did poorly on this test. Imagine that! So supposedly there is going to be some reorginization of the way this class is taught! My concepts teacher is in charge of the new program and she said that "you have to realize there is a learning curve for the instructors, as well." No that does a lot of good for those who failed the first test. At least they have seen the error of their ways!

    Shannon
  9. by   MishlB
    I highly doubt the students are expected to learn skills without demos. I think you were given some bad information.
  10. by   shanzo89
    Could have been bad information, but it was from several people in the same lab section. According to the curriculm director when she was commenting on the lab problems they were "self-learning modules." That's a direct quote. Guess I'll find out next semster!
  11. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by shanzo89
    I think the reason that there wasn't enough lab space was because they are starting this new program where everyone enters at the same place, then exits where they want - LPN, AD, or BSN. This is the first year for this program, which will phase out the existing programs for these levels. But they have both programs running this year, so that they have twice as many students, does that make any sense? So they said they either had to drop 30 students from the program, or have 30 students take this lab next semster. There are no pre-reqs for this program, so there are some students who have never had any college courses. The old program had pre-reqs, so a lot of us can fit another class into our schedules next semster. That's why they didn't drop 30 from the program. I hope that makes sense.

    Thanks for the thoughts and prayers for my family. We need them now. The bank told my parents last night that they have 90 days to sell off our dairy cows. This farm has been in the family for over 50 years. But they were thinking of getting out of it eventually, anyway. Our farm used to be in the country, now it's on the edge of the city. Kinda hard to dairy in the city!

    Shannon
    Best wishes for you and your family.. very sad when this happens to farm families, it's hard to let go of something passed down from generation to generation. :angel2:
  12. by   emily_mom
    We had the same situation. We were required to watch a video and then perform the procedure for checkoff. Crazy, man.
  13. by   Vsummer1
    Originally posted by MishlB
    I highly doubt the students are expected to learn skills without demos. I think you were given some bad information.
    Demos? sorry, no demos at my school either. You read it, you watch a video on it, and then practice with your fellow students and there is NO DEMO, NO INSTRUCTOR who doesn't have 50 other students asking questions all at once. They do not FUND the instructors for this, they are FUNDED for actual clinicals in the facilities, not on campus in skills lab. That way they don't have to pay instructors for extra hours doing things like "demos".

    After you practice on your own, you pass a skills check. Then comes the hard part... you must perform perfectly on a random practical which includes not breaking sterile fields etc. or you fail out of the class. The skill is chosen from a hat, and you must perform two separate skilLs perfectly or fail out. ie 1 skill = foley on a male in isolation -- another skill = vse bandage change, wet to dry also isolation... bed brakes, rails and bed height both while working and when leaving room, double gloving, right gloves for each step and hand washing at right step. Forget to get the right bandage or drop a bandage and not have extras = fail. Some failed out, myself I had 20 minutes left of the day and finally by some miracle passed.

    DEMO?? The demo was watching 5 confused students gathered around a dummy with a foley kit and an open book after watching a video.

    On the bright side, when we got to clinicals we were complimented on our excellent skills.

    IT IS A SELF-LEARNING PROGRAM.
    Last edit by Vsummer1 on Oct 14, '02

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