Dear Nursing Instructor

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Dear Nursing Instructor,

I want to remind you that at some point in your life you were in my shoes. Remember your first day of class? You were nervous, scared, and maybe wondering "Am I really made for nursing?"

You were handed a syllabus, and quickly went to work planning your schedule for the days to come. The thought of all the chapters you need to read, and understand. "How am I going to process all of this," you thought?

Maybe nursing was a breeze for you. Maybe you failed out and had to give it another try. A year or two later there you are walking across the stage in your nursing uniform holding your candle in remembrance of the mother of nursing Florence Nightingale. Remember how excited you were to get pinned. Oh the tears of joys that you finally made it!

Years have now passed by, and you have decided to become a nurse educator. However you forgot some things. What it is like to be a student. Some students are new to the health field; others are here looking for a second career, or a better life for their family. We all come from different walks of life.

Yes we know and may have heard all the horror stories of nursing. Does nursing school really have to be a horror story? Do you have to yell at your new nursing students on the first day? Is it appropriate to tell your students your not cut out for this? Do you as an instructor have to meet a quota every semester on who you can weed out?

I am a student here to learn. Yes, sometimes some students make it all the way through there preq's thinking "I can fly straight through nursing with no problem." However, some of us are not like that. We want to learn! We want what you have: a state board license!

We have sacrificed our lives and loved ones just to make it to the end of the program. However, some of us don't make it through the first few semesters. As students we do take the blame for our faults and short comings. I know I do. However being manipulated, taunted, yelled at, curse at, and treated like a nobody is not what I signed up for.

Let me give you an example of what some instructors have done in my presence. I had a class mate whose period came on during our lab at the school. We are told that while we are in clinical lab we are not allowed to go to the bathroom, only when we are given break.

She fell ill and told the instructors what was going on. In her defense, she has periods that come when they want, 2 times a month maybe once every 3 months. Nevertheless, she informed said professors on what was going, and got permission to leave the class. She had a mess on her clothes which caused her to leave the class for a second time in 30 mins. She was withdrawn by the Dean because she should have had a Dr.'s note.

I had a similar situation. I heavy a menstruation (due to Essure) sometimes as well, and in my first semester I had an accident as well my clothes. I had to sit for 30 minutes thank goodness before I could leave. All because of that stupid rule. I was embarrassed some, but hey we're all nursing students right. Thank God I lived 5 mins away from school.

My point is: is it really that serious not to have your class interrupted because of an emergency? If that is not an excuse. Please be sympathetic towards your students if deemed necessary, ie. student who found out her father had a heart attack, and is at the hospital fighting for his life. You have now put this student in the position to choose her class time and not risk being dropped from her class, or her dying father. Did you have any unusual emergencies as a student?

As a student we are held responsible for actions. We look to you for guidance and a great learning experience. Why are you so mean? Do you have to eat your young?

Now, now, I'm going to get a lot of comments on how nursing is to be taken seriously. "We have patient lives in our hands". I get that. I have 7 years of healthcare background in a very busy trauma one hospital. I know how stressful nursing can get and how overworked some nurses are, but I'm talking about teaching here. Teaching does not have to be so cruel and intimidating. I'm not saying you have to hold our hands and talk softly, and give us a high five for remembering small or big details. Treat me like a student who wants to learn what you are willing to give.

I just want you ask my instructor, the one I look to for educational needs, to remember what it was like when you were in our shoes.

Respectfully Submitted,

Fearless_Leader

P.S. For the Instructors who do care for their students, and do want them to succeed, we appreciate all you do.

Specializes in School Nursing.
Lots. (Medicine, law, restaurant server, airline pilot, etc, etc, etc.)

Although I do agree that a person should be allowed to leave lab under the given circumstances.

Who tells doctors when they can and can't go to the restroom or take a break? I worked for years as a waitress, never once was I told I couldn't go pee when I needed to. Even airline pilots can pee when needed.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
Who tells doctors when they can and can't go to the restroom to take a break? I worked for years as a waitress, never once was I told I couldn't go pee when I needed to. Even airline pilots can pee when needed.

Well, surgeons can't just leave in the middle of surgery. It's a patient abandonment issue.

Airline pilots cannot just pee when needed. Security regulations require that flight attendants be available- 1 to sit in the cockpit with the other pilot and 1 to block access to the lavatory/cockpit door so that passengers cannot be a threat to the cockpit/pilots.

Specializes in School Nursing.

I guess I believe there is a difference between sitting in lab and performing surgery, or even flying a plane (don't planes have toilets near the cockpit?) - not to mention both professionals are getting paid quite well for the responsibility. I think if the students are in an emergent situation involving patient care, this wouldn't be an issue- but even in the real world, these professionals can arrange to go to the bathroom (even a surgeon) if they really had to. And nobody would think twice if there were in a classroom environment (it's my understanding med students are down right coddled).

"I don't mean to be rude (blunt), but it's pretty obvious you really don't know what you're talking about, and you should probably walk away before you say something else ridiculous"

I would say this was more RUDE than blunt! Not sure why this made you so heated. If it is because you don't make a decent salary, I'm sorry. I should of reminded myself there are other states where Professors get a lousy pay for all they do.

Here in Southern California, our Professors get paid very well. I know because I have a few friends who are instructors. Many of them work as nurses too. Combined they make six figure salary. Yes, their work load is heavy, but that is their choice.

Sorry to all the Professors who are underpaid and good at what you do!! You are worth so much more. We students appreciate you! Especially those of us who have had an abusive Professor or two. The whole point of this thread!

This post is still one of my favorites!! So well written and paints a perfect picture of what goes on in "some" schools.

Not sure how anyone could turn this into a discussion on whether or not this girl should of been allowed a break. Took the whole thread in another uninteresting direction. Really ladies! We are not talking about irresponsible people here i assume.

Thank you for the original post! It was so comforting to read.

No need to get all bent. Just an opinion, not the Bible. :)

Specializes in critical care.

Here in Southern California, our Professors get paid very well. I know because I have a few friends who are instructors. Many of them work as nurses too. Combined they make six figure salary. Yes, their work load is heavy, but that is their choice.

Thoughts on this....

These professors have second jobs. People who make enough money don't usually have second jobs. Also, if, by six figures, you mean low six figures, like maybe $100-110,000, working two jobs in nursing, that really isn't that much money. That is an amount I would expect to make working two jobs where I live, which is an area that pays half as much and costs half as much as SoCal. If I got a job right now at my local university, between my two jobs I would probably make about $110k. I'm not sure that would be enough money to justify literally never being off work. A person's idea of being paid very well will vary. If you are single, "up and coming", with few worries financially, that may feel like awesome money. If you're at the point of life that I am, with family and responsibilities beyond work, not so much.

Sorry to all the Professors who are underpaid and good at what you do!! You are worth so much more. We students appreciate you! Especially those of us who have had an abusive Professor or two. The whole point of this thread!

This post is still one of my favorites!! So well written and paints a perfect picture of what goes on in "some" schools.

I'm definitely not saying abusive professors do not exist. What I have been saying in this thread is that the OP does not describe a situation of abuse, does seem to exaggerate, and equates having a crappy period to having a death in the family. Those two things have nothing in common.

Not sure how anyone could turn this into a discussion on whether or not this girl should of been allowed a break. Took the whole thread in another uninteresting direction. Really ladies! We are not talking about irresponsible people here i assume.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! SHOULD HAVE! NOT SHOULD OF! What you're thinking of is "should've", which is pronounced "should of", but is most definitely NOT "should of".

Yes, that was an incredibly immature tantrum. I apologize.

Thank you for the original post! It was so comforting to read.

No need to get all bent. Just an opinion, not the Bible. :)

Depends on what your opinion of the bible is. :roflmao: (I kid, I kid!)

But I like "should of"

Sounds snappy ha!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!

Who cares!

To go to that much trouble to point out errors in front of others?

Sure sounding like some of those Professors we are discussing. Maybe that is why you don't see how the original post is about abuse!

Are you a Professor? roflmao?? "Rolling on the floor laughing my *** off." I had to google that because I am in my 40's and I didn't know what that stood for. Surprised to say the least. You're worried about grammar?

Time to exit this thread!

Specializes in critical care.
Are you a Professor? roflmao?? "Rolling on the floor laughing my *** off." I had to google that because I am in my 40's and I didn't know what that stood for. Surprised to say the least. You're worried about grammar?

Time to exit this thread!

The "roflmao" is a programming code for a "smiley" that does not appear in the app version of allnurses. It is an animated smiley face that is laughing. If you view this post on your computer, you will see a laughing smiley, which was intended to add a bit of humor to my response. Also, on the desktop version, there is no way of knowing what each smiley is called in the programming code because you only see the cute little giggling smiley and not the letters that will replace it on the app version of the website. There was no way for me to know that the letters "roflmao" would appear in my post. They were not intentional.

Yes, I do get bothered by poor grammar. I am sorry if that caused you to feel abused. That's not a behavior I would consider abusive, but clearly we have very different definitions of abuse. I consider abuse to be a term referring to a behavior that causes actual and intentional harm to another person, animal or object. The reason for my more passionate response to the improper grammar is because in this thread, maybe one page before your comment, I poked fun at another poster who did exactly the same thing. Probably you missed that, but regardless, it's a pet peeve.

I believe grammar is important if one wishes to be taken seriously, especially when you are a professional engaging in conversation or debate with other professionals. That's not to say I don't butcher the English language from time to time. I'm sure I've done it in this very post. In the post you were referring to, I poked fun at myself by calling myself immature, followed immediately with an apology. If you took my post so much to heart that you are considering leaving a thread over it, well, I'm not sure what to say about that except it's a message board and there are a few things that will always happen in any given thread that's longer than a few pages:

1. Someone will be offended

2. Someone will correct grammar

3. Someone will hijack with irrelevant side conversation

4. Someone will threaten to leave the thread or even the website

5. Someone will be called a bully/mean girl/abusive, etc.

6. And then within the next few days, the thread will be referenced in another thread where all of the above people will get made fun of

Keep an eye out for number 6, because you and I just accomplished 1-5.

Specializes in ICU.

To ixchel, since I can't quote on my phone, I will let you know this; there is a reason why I at least cannot get my period issues under control as an adult. I have a history of blood clotting issues. I have a defective gene that makes me more susceptible. Therefore, I cannot do any type of birth control except I guess that copper IUD which I'm not real excited about doing. I've got endo and pcos which makes it 10 times worse so I am truly miserable every month so I am honestly trying to see the OP's side on this but I am prepared for either 3 periods in a month or none for 3 mos as it can go either way for me. But I am prepared for it to happen, I just don't usually bring extra clothes. But I just suck it up. My point is, not everyone can take hormonal stuff. I can die from it that's how serious it is.

To ixchel, since I can't quote on my phone, I will let you know this; there is a reason why I at least cannot get my period issues under control as an adult. I have a history of blood clotting issues. I have a defective gene that makes me more susceptible. Therefore, I cannot do any type of birth control except I guess that copper IUD which I'm not real excited about doing. I've got endo and pcos which makes it 10 times worse so I am truly miserable every month so I am honestly trying to see the OP's side on this but I am prepared for either 3 periods in a month or none for 3 mos as it can go either way for me. But I am prepared for it to happen, I just don't usually bring extra clothes. But I just suck it up. My point is, not everyone can take hormonal stuff. I can die from it that's how serious it is.

I have no dog in this fight (OP) but had to chime in to agree with this sentiment. Hormonal BC is off the table for me too, unfortunately. For the exact same reason. Sucks. My periods aren't as bad as yours or bad enough to need an ablation but I would love them a little more controlled!

Oh and I keep an extra pair of scrub pants in my bag for work/clinical and pads/tampons in every bag I own. It's part of life. Keep rolling, ya know?

Specializes in critical care.
To ixchel, since I can't quote on my phone, I will let you know this; there is a reason why I at least cannot get my period issues under control as an adult. I have a history of blood clotting issues. I have a defective gene that makes me more susceptible. Therefore, I cannot do any type of birth control except I guess that copper IUD which I'm not real excited about doing. I've got endo and pcos which makes it 10 times worse so I am truly miserable every month so I am honestly trying to see the OP's side on this but I am prepared for either 3 periods in a month or none for 3 mos as it can go either way for me. But I am prepared for it to happen, I just don't usually bring extra clothes. But I just suck it up. My point is, not everyone can take hormonal stuff. I can die from it that's how serious it is.

Oh, man ? I am so sorry, love. I did not mean to be insensitive. This sounds awful.

Specializes in ICU.

Thanks ixchel, I appreciate that, I just meant not everyone can do the hormonal stuff. Honestly wish I could, back in the day when I could do that stuff it was a godsend for me. Then in 09 I had a bad seizure where I got a blood clot and PE and now that stuff is out for me. So I was trying to look at it objectively but I always come prepared for my "issues" which are not fun. I feel like the OP almost sounds like a high schooler which she is not. Which is why I said she needed to decide whether or not she was ready for nursing school. Each person in her class deals with their own struggles and they need to deal as they will need to in the real world soon.

But thank you so much for your kind words. :)

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