Class, Race, and Social Issues - page 3
by TheCommuter 10,876 Views | 71 Comments Senior Moderator
Issues such as race and social class can rub peoplesí nerves the wrong way, especially if one uses poor wording or an inappropriate tone during discussion. For this reason, I will try to generate discourse regarding the... Read More
- 1Jan 19, '13 by Trilldayz,RN BSNYou make great points pricharilla. There are some people that automatically assume certain situations that happen to them happen because of a racial bias...which isn't always warranted. But unfortunately, its just how a lot of minorities have been taught to react based on various negative life experiences and past memories that have shaped their present thinking.
- 2Jan 19, '13 by jadelpn GuideHere's another thought--I live in an extremely affluent community, where I was raised, but it was not always like this. I am not what one would consider wealthy by any means, and came from a solid blue collar working family. Everyone was welcome at our table growing up, and I was considered "strange" in that I did not even know that there was such a thing as racial bias growing up. I was sheltered in that way, but I think I have a large world view at this point in my life. Anyways, as a child, I learned not to expect what I wanted when I wanted it. I was taught that one had to work hard to be comfortable. I think regardless of race, there are those who are raising children that with all good intention are taught they deserve better. And they shower them with expensive things, and teach them that it is ok to live well beyond their means. So we have children with high expectations for success, for possessions, and easily getting things that their parents had to struggle to achieve, and parents who perpetuate this myth. And this does not just pertain to one race. We see it in the media as well, with people lying, cheating, and just all around being horrible people with no content of character, and they are cherished, adored, and have gobs of money that people associate with happiness and success. We need to start taking pause and associating happiness and success with a good heart and a sharp mind as opposed to wealth. Regardless of one's skin color, name, or how they wear their hair.
- 1Jan 19, '13 by slaughtergrylI love this one!!!! I would just like to add that my best friend and I previously graduated from nursing school and got out license as well, BUT, my school was a for profit school and 90% African American!!! With that being said, our DON would always accuse us of cheating w/o any proof and we caught her saying that there's no way they could have passed these tests that were altered!!! SMDH!!! My next experience was while putting in nursing applications. The front desk lady was like oh you a nurse, wow both of you are nurses? Wow two in one day? Lol her expressions were priceless. My friend and I just had to look at each other and shake our heads in disbelief as another African American nurse came in to put in an app. With all this being said, sometimes you just have to see it and go through it to believe it!!! Sorry this was all over the place..
- 4Jan 19, '13 by dlashonSLAUGHTERGRY Right. Some people won't get it until they experience it. If you have ever read Black Like Me, were the white author disguises himself as a "negro" to walk in his shoes his is how people will understand a little better.
Prischilla, I think that is sad that you wouldn't want to hire me because you are intimidated by my experience and educational background. I was hired by one of the hospitals and the interviewers first question from the other hospital was, what is your 5 year plan because they want their PCAs to become RNs. The interview went well and I am just waiting on their call back. You should never be scared to hire someone who has more experience because they may take your job, that means you are not confident in your position. Also, having someone with experience and education can better your department and give more professionalism to that position.
Also, that was racist. Any time you put a group of people in a category by their race and believe all of them are this way, that is racist. Because I'm black, I play sports because a lot of black people do. Racism is a form of ignorance and if you don't strive to learn about other races. To believe that all Mexicans are illegal and don't speak English is racist, to believe that all Black people are loud and can dance is racist. To believe all asians are smart, is racist.You shouldn't assume something based on race alone.
- 0Jan 19, '13 by Trilldayz,RN BSNMy baby sister gets accused of cheating by her classmates too! She is a Biochem major (who has med school plans) with a 3.8 gpa! But she is also VERY girly who loves dresses, doing her hair and makeup. (She is actually competing in a pagent, where her talent will be performing a cool chemistry experiment...SUPER NERD lol). She tells me that she sees it from both sides as an Nigerian-american and as a female. She says people usually don't invite her to study groups or include her in group discussions, since she is usually one of the few blacks in her classes. Or people assume that because she is so cute and girly, she has no brain. It isn't until they find out that she makes the highest exam grades in class, and that she is hired by her university to tutor all chemistry levels, and is respected among faculty, where THEN they want to include her, ask her for help, etc...but she has learned to be solo... due to years of feeling isolated, whether intentional or not. I also heard of this Asian girl saying she did not get a job due to assumption that she did not speak spanish. (I went to a predominately hispanic university) She states that the interviewers didn't ask her if she spoke spanish. (She does, actually, speaks it fluently along with her native language, Tagalog). She was LIVID, as you can imagine.
- 3Jan 19, '13 by TheCommuter Senior ModeratorQuote from slaughtergrylMy cohort of students in the LPN-to-RN bridge program that I attended was almost 50 percent black, mostly consisting of immigrants from Nigeria, Kenya, and other African countries. There were a small handful of African-Americans in the program.my school was a for profit school and 90% African American!!!
Quote from slaughtergrylI'm African-American. People sometimes assume I'm applying for CNA, housekeeping, or kitchen work until I gently inform them that I'm an RN.The front desk lady was like oh you a nurse, wow both of you are nurses? Wow two in one day? Lol her expressions were priceless. My friend and I just had to look at each other and shake our heads in disbelief as another African American nurse came in to put in an app.
- 4Jan 19, '13 by PRICHARILLAisMISSEDI just wanted to bring something to light here.
A racist person believes that people of a race other than their own are automatically inferior to them. This means that racism is negative.
An ignorant person may believe certain stereotypes of other races, but not because they think the other races are automatically inferior to their own, but simply due to a lack of information or even being in possession of the wrong information (such as TV, movies ect...). Ignorance is not negative. In fact, ignorance can be cleared up with just a little information.
Now, as I said in an earlier post about some minority race people seeing problems that aren't there, or trying to find a racially related reason to any negative situation-or perceived negative situation (I know this is not my exact wording from before, but I'm too lazy to go back and check lol) this is one of the things I meant. Many minorities mistake ignorance for racism, and immediately take it as an insult. Some of them get mad not because they they are insulted, but because they believe, or have been taught, that they are supposed to be insulted. So they choose to get mad-if for no other reason than because they feel they have the right to-rather than choose to clear the situation up with just a few words-just a little information to clear up the ignorance.
Not to pick on dlashon (please understand that I better make points on forums using examples, dlashon...), but the post above is an example of this. I say this because-at least how I'm interpreting the post, anyway, if I'm wrong let me know, please-s/he says "I think that it's sad that you wouldn't want to hire me because you are intimidated by my experience and educational background." This is not what I said. I said that I wouldn't hire her/him because with all of her/his experience (it is the 7 years experience as a HS science teacher especially that would most make me nervous btw.), I would think that s/he would quit and take the first higher paying opportunity that came along. And let's be honest here, in all likelihood, s/he would. I know I would, and any one that tells me that they would stick with a $12 an hour job as a PCA out of loyalty after being offered another for $48k or so a year, would have a hard time convincing me of that. That stuff about the experience and educational background was something I added for future reference as friendly advice-which I still highly advise any of you posters to read and consider. It is not about me personally being intimidated by an applicants education and experience, but it is the way of the world-right or wrong. That is an example of something automatically being taken negatively.
And no, asking someone who is Black "What sport do you play" is not necessarily racist. Thinking all Mexicans can't speak English is not necessarily racist. Thinking all Black people are loud and can dance is not necessarily racist. These are examples of ignorance. Now, If these same examples were spoken or thought of in a derogatory way, then they would be examples of racism. But they are not automatically so.
Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Jan 19, '13 : Reason: Typos, and lots of them
- 1Jan 19, '13 by jadelpn GuideActually, I was once on a series of shifts where I was the only white person (and interestingly, my Grandpa was an immigrant to this country, could hardly speak a lick of English, and such a dark Italian man that many presumed him to be African American by looking at him alone). One of my children are more "mixed" looking than one would expect, considering my other children. So, back to the point. As the one white person on the shift, I felt as if I was a definate outsider--so much so that when their families would bring in plates for everyone on the shift (which was lovely) they didn't bring one for me, as they said that they expected me to "not like their food". And comments about how they were never friends with "white girls". Thankfully, I am at work to work and not to get into being BFF. Interestingly enough, when my kid came to get me one day, all were amazed and assumed that I was married to an African American. That at least opened up dialouge. My family by blood, marriage, and other is like the United Nations. And I would have it no other way. I like the idea of intellegent nurses who have amazing skills--and they come in just about every color.
- 2Jan 19, '13 by PRICHARILLAisMISSEDI know what you mean, jadelpn. I was the only white guy in both my Junior HS and my HS. And let me tell you, the other students never let me forget it, either. Not trying to start any crazy debate where moderators take action or anything but honestly, the most racist and hateful people I've ever met were minorities. At school it got to the point that to make the "White boy and Vanilla Ice" comments stop I had to put hands on people and hurt them a bit.
Much of the general public thinks that only White people can be racist, and forget that that just isn't the case. BTW, my daughters are also half Black (same mother). One of them looks straight Black (her mom still hasn't forgiven me for getting DNA tests on her, but I'm nobodies fool.) and people have a hard time believing she's mine lol.Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Jan 19, '13
- 1Jan 19, '13 by dlashonWell, this will be my last comment but let me state this. I am working as a PCA for experience not because I can't find another job, I quit teaching making over 50,000 to yes..become a nurse but I am not qualified to be a nurse (no BSN or ADN). So I wouldn't quit. A lot of people are PCAs/PCTs and are nursing students so they wouldn't quit they would get PROMOTED when they have the qualifications.
I don't agree that you can separate racism from ignorance. It sounds like this is a sugar coating to not call a spade a spade. Racist are ignorant but they have chosen not to learn about other races however to continue believing what they believe. If I never ate chocolate ice cream, only vanilla because I believe chocolate would be nasty, whose fault is this? The chocolate ice cream would just remain at the store and never purchased by me unless I decided to try it. Let that marinate.
jadelpn, I hate that happened to you. That wasn't right for them to leave you out intentionally because they assumed you wouldn't like it. They just weren't raised right. I worked with a white lady whom was the only one in our department and I always asked her no matter what it was. That is how we break these barriers of "ignorance". Not everyone eats collard greens and cornbread but hey.