Bringing your *new* baby to school.... - page 11

Problem here all....recent member of class had a baby. Now, so far our school has been VERY strict about pretty much everything. Now, I understand that this student is a single mother, on assistance... Read More

  1. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from bluesky
    Those "compassionate" people in class should offer their childcare services to the mother, in question, so that the "heartless" and "nonemphatic" need not be inconvenieced

    Too bad they all have to be in class at the same time.

    As for childcare in hospitals, some magnet hospitals in my area do have childcare for the nurses... of course it's only open til 4 PM (you know the time at which the administrative people go home.. )
    There are generally several classes for nurses in varying class levels, as well as other program students in the local college/votech/university where the classes are held. Not all of them are in class at the same time.

    And my reference was specifically regarding childcare for the patient's children, not the staff's. As in a place for mothers to dropoff their children during appts/procedures and pick them up later. They may have those, but I have never seen one.

    And at this, I will step back out. I have to work tonight.
  2. by   fergus51
    Quote from bluesky
    I would have felt as you do prior to getting involved in assisting a number of women whose life stories parallel this woman's. I have known a number of them and none have managed to return to school because after getting a full-time job to support their children, they never recuperate the level of support to take the time off to go back to school. I know this to be true, not hypothetically, but real world, hard core.

    While I do regret and appoligize for making the blanket statement about nurses not being empathetic, I stand by my "overdramatic" perspective.
    :chuckle And I would have agreed with you if I didn't know nurses who DID go back and get their degree after family issues forced them to drop out and get a job. Several of them work on my unit.

    Plus, no one is talking about drumming her out of school anyways. What would be the big problem with her taping lectures?
    Last edit by fergus51 on Oct 22, '05
  3. by   fergus51
    Quote from bluesky
    As for childcare in hospitals, some magnet hospitals in my area do have childcare for the nurses... of course it's only open til 4 PM (you know the time at which the administrative people go home.. )
    That's exactly why this will not only be an issue for her as a student. Unfortunately the difficulty in finding childcare won't dissapear when she becomes a nurse.
  4. by   bluesky
    To the OP. If your school is anywhere near MD, you tell your friend that Iwill babysit for her for free if she likes. I will PM you with my contact information if she lives near here.
  5. by   ktwlpn
    Quote from bluesky
    I've already appologized for making that statement. However I have higher expectations of nurses than the rest of society which is perhaps why I have been dissapointed with nursing in general. Your argument for personal responsibility is valid from the logical point of view of accepting the results of one's choices. Yet it shows a real lack of concern for the impact of those results. I am more concerned with how this woman's life is going to be a struggle for years to come... not so much that this struggle may be in large part as a result of her own poor decisions. To me, her suffering is the issue.
    Off topic,I know -but-why hold nurses to a different standard then the rest of society? We are human and we are professionals-We are NOT angels in white.........Back to topic- I agree that personal responsibility needs to be stressed here.We don't have medical coverage for everyone in this country-why should we offer day care? Why should we look to the government to provide it? Why keep having children if you don't have the resources to support them? The problem here is not about day care at all----it IS about "this woman's struggle" in the coming years and the fact that women like this just keep having babies dnd collecting the handouts..The answer is NOTto give them more and more assistance.....That has not been working-it just keeps feeding the system....I WISH someone HAD the answer....I truly do..Why is it accepted behavior for many to just keep popping them out one after the other? Suffering? She wants babies-she's got them...Suffering is the woman unable to bear the child she desperately wants.....argh....I'm getting hypertensive.....
  6. by   mstigerlily
    Bluesky, I am a mother of 3, they are 13, 5 & 19 mos. The last two were born when I was in school (actually the first too, just a different school, different degree). I was a single mom for many years, I am very sympathetic. I can see doing this as a one-time thing if the babysitter was sick or if something happened to her caregiver and she was looking for another but IMO this is not ok on a daily basis. She had her whole pregnancy to make childcare arrangements and deal with things like all the rest of us do. If her classmates/instructors want to pitch in to help her hire someone or help her with her living situation that is another thing and that would be lovely but the classroom environment should be kept separate from their empathy for this girl.

    Quote from bluesky
    Actually the OP never stated exactly just how "negatively" others were affected. Interesting, eh? I can only state what I feel which is that if this girl has to leave school it will be very difficult for her to come back as she will have to start working full-time to support her kids. I have seen this happen at least 3 times during the course of my nursing school alone. One cannot just look at numbers of people affected, one must strive to look at the acuity of the potential damage as well... in this case; minor irritation for a few vs. complete destruction of carreer and wellbeing for at least 2.
  7. by   cherokeesummer
    My school does not allow children unless we are doing a special focused assessment on them LOL.

    But seriously, I am due to have our son on Monday via C-section and I did take off this semester because I'm a high risk pregnancy. I am not sure how I would handle this. I don't think it is fair to the other students because while the baby may be quiet now, that could change but at the same time there may be some situationw ith the mom.

    My best suggestion would be - if the child is distracting, get together and discuss it with the teacher - they should have asked the other students, and the alternative of another room or tape recording lectures seems very adequate to me as an alternative. Whatever care the mom has for the baby during clinical days may need to be extended or maybe someone in the school could help her to find students on different rotations that would share child care.

    I know its no easy answer but I do think it would be distracting to have a baby in the room (b/c I'd be too busy cooing at the baby LOL!).
  8. by   charlies
    Quote from cherokeesummer
    Whatever care the mom has for the baby during clinical days may need to be extended or maybe someone in the school could help her to find students on different rotations that would share child care.

    Although I think this thread should die, I just can't resist this one...

    She probably needs assistance with medical care for her baby too. So, on clinical days, she could just leave it in the with one of the doctors on-site there.:spin:
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  10. by   chuckc
    with all the apparent effort put in to giving this woman crap about her situation, maybe somebody could have helped her find a solution. No, the baby should not come to class but sheesh.......
  11. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from chuckc
    with all the apparent effort put in to giving this woman crap about her situation, maybe somebody could have helped her find a solution. No, the baby should not come to class but sheesh.......
    As far as I see, no one here has given "this woman crap".

    And quite a few solutions to her situation have been given.
  12. by   Curious1alwys
    Quote from ktwlpn
    Off topic,I know -but-why hold nurses to a different standard then the rest of society? We are human and we are professionals-We are NOT angels in white.........Back to topic- I agree that personal responsibility needs to be stressed here.We don't have medical coverage for everyone in this country-why should we offer day care? Why should we look to the government to provide it? Why keep having children if you don't have the resources to support them? The problem here is not about day care at all----it IS about "this woman's struggle" in the coming years and the fact that women like this just keep having babies dnd collecting the handouts..The answer is NOTto give them more and more assistance.....That has not been working-it just keeps feeding the system....I WISH someone HAD the answer....I truly do..Why is it accepted behavior for many to just keep popping them out one after the other? Suffering? She wants babies-she's got them...Suffering is the woman unable to bear the child she desperately wants.....argh....I'm getting hypertensive.....
    :yeahthat:
  13. by   Curious1alwys
    Quote from ktwlpn
    and furthermore-I guess I am lacking in empathy in this case....When I went to nursing school I had left an abusive husband with nothing but a paper sack full of ragged clothes,a cat and a car with 4 flat tires (yes-he flattened them) I lived on my mother's sofa for 4 months....When I finally got my stuff together and got into school I let NOTHING interfere....I was determined to make it -and I did.(I also took birth control.)....There were no handouts for me-It took 10 years to pay off my student loan.I think the simple fact that I paid for it made me take it seriously.The difference between us and animals is that we can practice family planning....Sheesh-you can get condoms at the grocery store-there simply is no excuse these days....
    :yeahthat:

    THANK YOU!!!!!

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