50 out of 100 Nursing students failed program - page 6

At my school 50 out of 100 nursing students failed thier first semester. They didnt make it. Geeze is nursing school that hard. I get really good grades but is it really that hard? These students... Read More

  1. by   leashmarie
    I'm honestly not surprised... I came into our Nursing program saying to myself, I know I was once the smartest person in my classes, but when 2000 people apply and only 80 get in, I know that all the OTHER people will ALSO be the smartest in the class... it starts out like a competition, almost... but as time goes on, you learn that some of the people must have got in by default, for some reason or another... Some of these people, ugh-- scares the CRAP out of me that they got past the first semester....

    If you think about it though, having a high failure rate says two things about the school:
    1) the Professors have high standards, and they are weeding out the substandard future-nurses... this is actually A GOOD thing, since it means there will be better nurses in the field...

    OR
    2) The Professors aren't doing their jobs, which means TEACHING... or, the admissions councilors are not thoroughly enough examining the people that they are letting into the school... Like others have said--- You don't get into nursing school by ACCIDENT...
  2. by   Dublin37
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    Quote from 4rom2brn
    wow! what school is this? my school has similar problems. i have an awful malicious instructor, right now. i've have great instructors prior to this one.

    alot of my classmates are thinking about dropping out because of their grades. honestly, its not their fault. in my case, it really is the instructors fault. i think a few of them are seeking for an attorney.

    what i am learning is that you must stick together for what is right. listen to yourself and keep tabs of everything that is going on.

    i am greatly thankful for this site. they have taught me alot.
    curious....
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    [font="comic sans ms"]wow, this sounds familiar. i hope they do get an attorney. i understand that nursing school is hard, really hard, but that is no excuse for emotional bullying that i saw at my last school. i have spoken to at least 10 of us who will make our complaints to the various nurses associations when we finish, and have an rn. until then, we are just hanging tight, yes mamming, and trying to finish. i am in ca. good luck everyone.
  3. by   eccentricRN
    Nursing school takes hard work, but that means different things to each individual. We lost plenty of people throughout the program, but I would not say it was strictly because they didn't study or lacked dedication. Some had family, finance problems or they just felt too stressed where it took a physical toll. Many came back after a temporary break and enede up graduating.
    Nursing school is unique and sometimes people think it's going to be a nice paying job and probably not that hard to accomplish, until they begin school, others may decide that this isn't what they thought and chose to leave the program. Simply because your school lost half a class doesn't mean they all failed.
  4. by   4rom2bRN
    to: daytonite
    can you read my post "do you think this is fair" i really admire all of your posts. i stongly feel that all of your advices have been truthful. that is what i really need right now.
    i am confused about the events that is occurring at my school. i am really a good student and so are my classmates. we are all compliant until certain incidents occurred. if you can kindly read my comments and tell me what you think i should and shouldn't do. i don't want to make any wrong moves. i really need some professional advice. please! i need your years of experience on this one. i invite anyone who have the years of experience especially nursing instructors.
    Last edit by 4rom2bRN on Jan 30, '08 : Reason: spelling errors
  5. by   shell07RN
    I believe alot of student's fail because of the instructors. When I first entered OB/PEDS the instructor said "Look to both sides of where you are sitting, by the end of this ten weeks the people sitting there won't be here." The instructors operate on fear tactics to weed out the weak students. It's a shame, but they honestly intend to scare you so bad you don't believe you can make it and you quit. I'm not saying all instructors do this. Every instructor I had used this tactic. The best way to get by is just to ignore their stupidity and go on.
  6. by   sistasoul
    Quote from shell07RN
    I believe alot of student's fail because of the instructors. When I first entered OB/PEDS the instructor said "Look to both sides of where you are sitting, by the end of this ten weeks the people sitting there won't be here." The instructors operate on fear tactics to weed out the weak students. It's a shame, but they honestly intend to scare you so bad you don't believe you can make it and you quit. I'm not saying all instructors do this. Every instructor I had used this tactic. The best way to get by is just to ignore their stupidity and go on.
    Hello all,

    I am in my 4th semester and will graduate in May. I have a clinical instructor who is known to pick out one student every semester and give them a bad time. I guess it is me this semester. She has handed me back a care plan FOUR TIMES to redo and another one three times. I have never received clinical paperwork back in my other semester so why is there a problem all of a sudden? I spend at least 20 hrs a week on this Clinical paperwork before I hand it in. It is all very frustrating. She has an undertone of nastiness when she deals with me. I keep telling myself I only have to deal with this person 3 more times and I will never have to deal with her again. All of this redoing of paperwork is causing me to barely squeak by on my tests. I was feeling really depressed about all of this when a nursing school buddy of mine sent me this article. Everything in the article is 100% correct and I feel this is why some students don't make it.


    "Many nurse educators thrive on the feeling of superiority that comes from controlling students and junior faculty and their futures. This abuse of power is related to feelings of inadequacy, insecurity, discontent, and personal envy, often with a "Jekyll and Hyde" component. Individual educators are only part of the quandary. Some academic centers subscribe to the steadfast education philosophy that students need to suffer in order to learn. Nursing curricula, testing, and grading are exhausting and often based on minutiae. Clinical paperwork can be monumental, and unrealistic expectations of both students and junior faculty abound. A number of education institutions merely give "lip service" to adult
    learning principles and place minimal value on students' past experiences or their right to be treated as an adult. Some educators even go as far as to brag about their program's
    attrition rate as a correlation to the program's rigor and superiority."


    I know this post is long but this is something I feel strongly about. Thank God not all CI are like this. This makes me want to be an instructor to show students that CI can be supportive.
  7. by   shell07RN
    Quote from sistasoul
    Hello all,

    I am in my 4th semester and will graduate in May. I have a clinical instructor who is known to pick out one student every semester and give them a bad time. I guess it is me this semester. She has handed me back a care plan FOUR TIMES to redo and another one three times. I have never received clinical paperwork back in my other semester so why is there a problem all of a sudden? I spend at least 20 hrs a week on this Clinical paperwork before I hand it in. It is all very frustrating. She has an undertone of nastiness when she deals with me. I keep telling myself I only have to deal with this person 3 more times and I will never have to deal with her again. All of this redoing of paperwork is causing me to barely squeak by on my tests. I was feeling really depressed about all of this when a nursing school buddy of mine sent me this article. Everything in the article is 100% correct and I feel this is why some students don't make it.


    "Many nurse educators thrive on the feeling of superiority that comes from controlling students and junior faculty and their futures. This abuse of power is related to feelings of inadequacy, insecurity, discontent, and personal envy, often with a "Jekyll and Hyde" component. Individual educators are only part of the quandary. Some academic centers subscribe to the steadfast education philosophy that students need to suffer in order to learn. Nursing curricula, testing, and grading are exhausting and often based on minutiae. Clinical paperwork can be monumental, and unrealistic expectations of both students and junior faculty abound. A number of education institutions merely give "lip service" to adult
    learning principles and place minimal value on students' past experiences or their right to be treated as an adult. Some educators even go as far as to brag about their program's
    attrition rate as a correlation to the program's rigor and superiority."


    I know this post is long but this is something I feel strongly about. Thank God not all CI are like this. This makes me want to be an instructor to show students that CI can be supportive.
    That article is exactly right. Student's need to suffer. Especially nursing student's. What really burns me up is the fact that when you do graduate and get your license after all the torture, the instructors want to be friends because they made you what you are. For example the instructor I talked about above called me at home and left a message. She wanted me to call her back just to see how my boards went, she said I was a such a good student and she missed me. I thought Yeah! Right! She is just trying to brown-nose and find out about the questions on the boards. I wouldn't give her air much less test questions. Sorry! You reap what you sew.
  8. by   sistasoul
    Quote from shell07RN
    That article is exactly right. Student's need to suffer. Especially nursing student's. What really burns me up is the fact that when you do graduate and get your license after all the torture, the instructors want to be friends because they made you what you are. For example the instructor I talked about above called me at home and left a message. She wanted me to call her back just to see how my boards went, she said I was a such a good student and she missed me. I thought Yeah! Right! She is just trying to brown-nose and find out about the questions on the boards. I wouldn't give her air much less test questions. Sorry! You reap what you sew.
    Good for you. When I graduate I think I am going to go to the president of the school because this seems to be an ongoing "problem" with this certain instructor. I am so infuriated at what she is doing to me and will do to others. She needs to know that this is not all right!!!
  9. by   mrs.captain.kangaroo
    We had a lot of people fail this past semester. Many of those that failed would have made terrific nurses but had a lot on them - work, family that a lot of those who passed did not. It breaks my heart because these were compassionate kind people who I personally would love to have as a nurse. I feel they would be better nurses than me and I passed. Some of the people that passed were cheaters, people who put down others in a rude way, and who I would jump out of the bed rather than be nursed by them.
  10. by   ORRocksRN
    Quote from mrs.captain.kangaroo
    We had a lot of people fail this past semester. Many of those that failed would have made terrific nurses but had a lot on them - work, family that a lot of those who passed did not. It breaks my heart because these were compassionate kind people who I personally would love to have as a nurse. I feel they would be better nurses than me and I passed. Some of the people that passed were cheaters, people who put down others in a rude way, and who I would jump out of the bed rather than be nursed by them.
    I couldn't agree more. I was kicked out of the program with a 4.0 GPA. There are many who are failing tests who are given 2nd and 3rd chances to retake the tests. And there are many people in my previous class who will be graduting in June that I can't BELIEVE are still in the program. If i ever saw some of them walking into my room if i were a pateint, I would run like HE-double hockey sticks! Scary, rude, self centred, lack of social skills and stupidity abound in my previous program which will graduate and enter the workforce soon. I just hope I don't get sick.
  11. by   luvleee
    My class started off with 181 students.
    In my fourth semester now, there are 120 students remaining.
  12. by   Dublin37
    Quote from sistasoul
    hello all,

    i am in my 4th semester and will graduate in may. i have a clinical instructor who is known to pick out one student every semester and give them a bad time. i guess it is me this semester. she has handed me back a care plan four times to redo and another one three times. i have never received clinical paperwork back in my other semester so why is there a problem all of a sudden? i spend at least 20 hrs a week on this clinical paperwork before i hand it in. it is all very frustrating. she has an undertone of nastiness when she deals with me. i keep telling myself i only have to deal with this person 3 more times and i will never have to deal with her again. all of this redoing of paperwork is causing me to barely squeak by on my tests. i was feeling really depressed about all of this when a nursing school buddy of mine sent me this article. everything in the article is 100% correct and i feel this is why some students don't make it.


    "many nurse educators thrive on the feeling of superiority that comes from controlling students and junior faculty and their futures. this abuse of power is related to feelings of inadequacy, insecurity, discontent, and personal envy, often with a "jekyll and hyde" component. individual educators are only part of the quandary. some academic centers subscribe to the steadfast education philosophy that students need to suffer in order to learn. nursing curricula, testing, and grading are exhausting and often based on minutiae. clinical paperwork can be monumental, and unrealistic expectations of both students and junior faculty abound. a number of education institutions merely give "lip service" to adult
    learning principles and place minimal value on students' past experiences or their right to be treated as an adult. some educators even go as far as to brag about their program's
    attrition rate as a correlation to the program's rigor and superiority."


    i know this post is long but this is something i feel strongly about. thank god not all ci are like this. this makes me want to be an instructor to show students that ci can be supportive.

    i could not agree with you more!!!! it turns my stomach how a few ego starved, power hungry can fail so many students who would make excellent nurses! i was in a school like that and left it. i know it's not always an option, i feel so thankful!
  13. by   kcochrane
    My LPN clas started with 43, we ended up with 29 or so. ONE person was kicked out for failing. She had to take a comprehensive final in fundamentals since she did not have a high enough average (I think 80%). She flunked the comprehensive by one point (needed a 70%). At the time I felt it was unfair- I mean one point? But later on, as the program became harder, I realized she would have done even worse and I understood why they couldn't just "find" that extra point for her.
    Most of the students left due to absense issues - over 60 hours. A few had some personality conflicts with the instructor.
    To me, the biggest problem was that the person interviewing the candidates was a counselor with no nursing experience. IMHO she should have had at least one nurse with her to ask questions.
    I'm now waiting to see if I got in this fall as a advanced standing LPN for my AN. If I get in, I will be joining in the 2nd semester. I am interested now in what out fail rate is. Although former students say that all the instructors are great and really help.
    Wonder what the pass/fail rate is for LPNs that go to RN school? Do they have an advantage?

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