Why Do Nurses Eat Their Young?

More and more Nurses are getting involved and looking for solutions that will end the scourge that has persisted for so many years and tarnished the good work and dedication of all Nurses everywhere. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Have you heard that phrase before? I graduated my Nursing Program way, way, back in 1955 and it was around even then. The perpetrator is usually a senior nurse with longevity but could be a new graduate bursting with new knowledge and techniques and anxious to give them a workout or it could be a Supervisor or someone with a higher or lower rank than the victim. Regardless who is creating the problem it is interesting that old cliche is still around in this the 21st Century.

I first encountered it when as an eighteen-year-old nursing student who had never been in a hospital had no idea what a hospital ward looked like. I was born at home, and my tonsils were removed on my Grandmother's kitchen table when I was five. That was way, way, way, back, in 1935. So imagine my surprise to learn the "Ward" my Mother talked about when she had my brothers and sister, was not a long hallway with beds on either side, as I had envisioned, but a long hallway with rooms on both sides and it even had a kitchen. Yes, I remember it well.

We spent the first three months of our training in the classroom learning the basics of bedside nursing-bed making, vital signs, bed baths, enemas, along with medical terminology, anatomy, and other basic preparations for our initiation to "The Ward". We never got further than the lobby of the Hospital and the Cafeteria until the end of those first three months. Finally, the day came with the notification our schedules were changed. Starting immediately, we would spend four hours in the classroom every morning and four hours on the Ward in the afternoon. After class, we reported to our assigned Ward and introduced ourselves to our R.N., Supervisor.

Miss G. was about four feet, ten inches, tall and weighed about ninety-eight pounds. She looked impressive in her starched, white uniform, white stockings, white, polished, shoes with clean, white, shoelaces, and perched on top of her head a starched, white, crinoline cap with a ruffled edge, with a black band around it. She wore her accessories with authority. Her school pin perfectly placed on her right chest, her nurses' watch with its black, leather band and her black, winged, glasses, which she wore at the end of her nose so she could look directly into your eyes when she spoke. She was a retired Army, Staff Sergeant, probably in her middle thirties, and Single. Yes, I remember her well.

It was the first day of my first four- hour shift. Everyone gathered in the kitchen while the R.N. Supervisor dished out the diets on to a tray, from a warming cart, which we took to the bedside. I was assigned to feed a very ill young man, hooked up to an I.V. and too ill to feed himself. My patient had a bowl of Pea Soup, a glass of water, a cup of hot tea, a packet of sugar, and a glass straw. This was my first patient and the first time I would feed someone. I was scared to death.

I rolled his bed up, placed a napkin on his chest, told him my name, what I was about to do and asked him if he was comfortable. He nodded his head. I placed the glass straw into the bowl of pea soup and brought it to his lips. He was too weak to draw the soup up through the straw so I told him I would get a spoon and I would be right back.

Once in the hallway, I forgot which way to the kitchen. I started back toward the Nurse's Station and ran into Miss G. "Where do you think you're going?" she said. "I'm looking for the kitchen," I said. "You mean to tell me you've been here an hour and a half and you don't know where the kitchen is?" I looked at her with total surprise. "Yes.", I replied. She gave me directions and I was on my way.

There were lots of cupboards and drawers in the kitchen and I had no idea where they hid the tableware. I started opening drawers when I heard a sound behind me. Miss G. was standing in the doorway watching me. "Can you tell me where they keep the spoons?" I asked. "Don't they teach you anything in that classroom? You were just in this kitchen. You don't remember where the spoons are. What kind of nurse do you think you will be if you can't remember from fifteen minutes ago?" That was my intro to Miss G. and it was just the beginning. I finally got back to my patient but by that time, the soup was cold. I went back to the kitchen to get some warm soup. I'll give you three guesses who was there and what happened next. The first two don't count.

That was fifty-four years ago. Do nurses still eat their young? Yes, they do and there is plenty of evidence to support its existence right here on the internet. Just go to any Nurse Blog or Forum and you will find page after page of comments from nurses, young and old, male and female, R.N.'s, L.P.N.'s, C.N.A's, all venting their frustrations about the treatment they endure from NURSES WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Why do they do it? They do it because they can.

Fortunately, there is hope for the future. Due to Nursing Forums like this one, more and more Nurses are getting involved and looking for solutions that will end the scourge that has persisted for so many years and tarnished the good work and dedication of Nurses everywhere. Now if only someone would start teaching "How to build a team" or "Teamwork is the answer" that would be a place to start.

I am not disagreeing with this post, but I am expounding on it b/c it seems that people in all careers tend to eat their young. I think that many people that have more knowledge or senority in any field can be tempted to exert their little bit of power. In my opinion, if this is a big issue then a home based job might be in order for somone who has thin skin. Little Johnny in the third grade can have a bad attitude and act like an ***, but at the end of the day, does it really matter? Oh, and if it does, should it?

Specializes in Acute Care Hosp, Nursing Home, Clinics.

Yes it matters. It matters a lot. Nurses make a difference in the lives of people who are in their care. It is one thing if you are a Manager or Clerk in a Kay-Mart or a Appliance store it is quite a different matter if you are a Charge Nurse or CNA on a Med/Surg Unit. Bullying is unacceptable in any work environment. Bullying in a Nursing environment is reprehensive and cannot be tolerated. Unfortunately it has become an epidemic in this 21st Century and must be stopped.

Specializes in Longterm, Med Surg, Step down, Vents,.

It is very true nurse's with more experience feel like they have shares in certain facilities. They should stop doing this, each person rather they be a newbie or not has something that they can share as a teaching experience. Shame on you nurse's that do this, I believe in teaching and helping others.

Sadly, as a new nurse I have experienced this "lateral violence", and so have many of my former classmates. I do notice that the biggest bullies are also the unhappiest people. I feel bad for them. Not only are they rude to other nurses, they are rude and judgmental towards pts, ancillary staff, security, family members etc. I really didn't enjoy being bullied in high school and I don't enjoy being bullied as a new nurse. My best advice to others is don't make the mistake of thinking it can't happen to you and break the cycle. I am not a ***** in life, and I refuse to be at work. My ultimate goal is to receive glowing recommendations when I leave this nasty workplace, so I check my attitude at the door. It's so difficult to "eat it" sometimes, but I take care of myself physically and emotionally so I can deal with the toxic personalities. My patients appreciate it and thank me for being a "nice" nurse. Its so embarrassing when they notice this behavior in their caregivers. I have seen patient complaints result in termination. So as long as you make it about the patient and not one's ego or "winning" you will always be right. Break the cycle of nurses eating their young! We care for others, let's care about each other.

Specializes in Emergency.

Nurses "eat their young" because no one stops it. It is a condoned behavior. If it wasn't, it wouldn't continue. It is SILENTLY approved of by the administration because they used to engage in the same actions and some still do. Many of you have commented how you have been bullied by your supervisor or other manager as well as suffered lateral violence. This is unnecessary, uncalled for and above all unprofessional. Until the nursing profession decides to put an end to it once and for all, it will continue.

A bully by any other name is still a bully and it doesn't matter what type of "hat" he/she places on his/her head. It begins in childhood and continues into adulthood. As parents, we are the only ones that have the power to stop it. It isn't exclusive to nursing. Look around, people, bullying is going on everywhere. You see it in nursing because that's where you are working. OPEN YOUR EYES! Children are committing suicide DAILY from being bullied. It is out of hand.

Just like the commercial for Smokey the Bear said, "Only you can prevent forest fires." Well, only you can prevent (stop) bullying. It starts and stops with us, folks. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves, "Did I bully someone today? Am I responsible for making someone feel small or insignificant? What did I do today?" This includes children, too, they learn it from us.

Specializes in none yet.

I think they act like bullies because that is the only way they know to act. Even if they went to instruction for helping newbies, when they are under pressure, they will revert to their usual behavior not the new. Letting the newbie evaluate the orienting vet nurse might help. Letting colleagues evaluate with specific examples good behavior would help.

I have to say, as a former nursing student, staff nurse, charge nurse, and sometimes preceptor, I have seen nurses eat not only their young, but their co-workers and even their supervisors at times. It seems like there are just some people out there too burned out, too bitter, too cynical, and too mean to be bothered with passing on nursing skills. I've had the misfortune of being on the bad side of some pretty nasty charge nurses and when the situation went beyond what I could control, had no back up from managment. It sucks, its depressing, and demeaning, and a liability to patient care. We all have bad days, but as nurses we have to be aware that our bad days can literally kill someone. Managers need to step away from nepatism and realize that their "friends" are not friends at work, they need to be held accountable. Staff nurses need to support new nurses or new-to them nurses, don't expect everyone to catch on at the same rate. Student nurses need to speak out and make instructors aware of the problems they are facing. Just because there is an agreement with the school and hospital doesn't mean the same nurses have to precept. One of the healthcare systems I worked for had a special class specifically for precepting, so that nurses could be trained to precept, instead of just handed a full pt load and a student nurse. Student nurses need to also study their roles for the specific clinical they are participating in. If you are going to be precepting on a peds floor, read up on childhood illnesses, normal vital signs for children, immunization schedules, etc. Same with cardiac and other specialities. Don't let the clinical experience be the only experience. Do research specific to your preceptorship.

Sorry for the longwindedness but this is one of my pet peeves and something I hope none of the students I precepted with ever experienced with me. I want student nurses and new nurses and new to my floor nurses to learn productively. They may be taking care of me or my family someday.

I totally agree. I'm currently in nursing school and unfortunately I've had better experiences in the hospital rather than in the classroom. Many nursing teachers are bullies and it is apparently totally acceptable. I know that school is hard but there is no need for teachers to be unsupportive and bullying just to feel "good about themselves." I find it incredibly childish and absolutely unnecessary. Even after complaining to directors/supervisors they made it seem like it is absolutely a "bad thing" to complain. If this starts in nursing school, well, that is just breeding the next generation of bullies...

Great article!!!

Someone said that in all fields people eat their young, I disagree completely. Nursing is my second career (I am in my mid-40's) and in my first career the training process was very similar to nursing with the theory, practice, and preceptorship and NONE of the mess that I have seen at my school from administration, fellow classmates, nurses and aids have occured. Not even close. I cannot tell you how devastated I am that this is what goes on, not just in one school, one state or even one region but in our entire country!!!! Something is very wrong. I went into nursing for all of the "right" reasons but I am now cynical, bitter and disillusioned and seriously thinking of going back to my former profession after I pass the NCLEX.

I could go on and on and on but I won't. :crying2:

Specializes in ICU,ER,med-Surg,Geri,Correctional.

I have seen this happen and I am proud to say after over 35yrs as a nurse that I had always went out of my way to assist and encourage the greens, and I was blessed as a new nurse not being treated poorly. however as a older nurse I am now being treated worse than ever. It seems that now a days since you fill out applications on line, that as soon as they determine your age you are not going to get as far as an interview. They do not seem to try and recruit the older nurses regardless of your past. So some eat the young and kick the older nurse to the curve....just an opinion......

I have been a nurse for almost a year now and nursing is a second career for me. I can say in my former business, telecommunications, there was definately a hostile environment toward anyone new. I myself felt it toward the new people, but recognition is valuable and I went out of my way to be welcoming and within a few minutes the hostile feeling toward "the other" went away. I just think it is human nature to be wary and unwelcoming to stranger, invader, "other." However, we should be intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and professional enough to overcome base instincts! As a nursing student in clinicals I encountered harshness only once or twice, but I witnessed it by other nurses on "agency" nurses and also on an experienced nurse who had just started working at the hospital. The nurses were so unkind and unhelpful to these people. And an excellent point was made here - a patient's health, wellbeing, and possibly even their life is at stake! In one instance the agency nurse had tried many ways during night shift to get help with some equipment that was malfunctioning, she was ignored and not helped, and the next day it was all the talk about how remiss she was because the problem wasn't addressed. The other was a nurse with patient in severe respiratory problem and hypoglycemic and she could get no help; the code team stood around and made fun of her! "I think she (the nurse) needs the code." It was bizarre and we (the nursing students) were appalled.

If they do its do to poor leadership. Motivate not intimidate. Work as a team. Lead form the front. If you are burnt out get a new job. There you go problem solved. Lets move on.

Specializes in Acute Care Hosp, Nursing Home, Clinics.

Easier said than done I'm afraid. Teamwork needs to be taught in Nursing School. Being a Team Leader is more than just telling people what to do. It requires a plan of action that is understood and accepted by all members of the team.