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      Yes, this nurse should be fired...no matter how excellent.
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      No, this nurse should NOT be fired, it happens...even to excellent nurses.

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Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator patients at 7am. She tells me that the patient was very restless and they had been constantly watching him throughout the night shift because of the fear of him pulling his trach out. They found he would settle down when someone sat with him and held his hand (how basic can nursing care get?). So, periodically during the night different staff members sat at his bedside. The nurse in question says that at 5am she had caught up on all her charting and told her co-workers that she was going to sit down in the room with the patient. She sat down, took his hand and he immediately quieted down. She sat back and the next thing she knew someone was waking her and telling her it was 7am. She jumped up and worked on giving her 6am meds and ended up giving an oral report to the oncoming shift (we tape report).

A very serious decision has to be made here. This is a really excellent nurse and I'm afraid there will be no choice but to fire her and report her to the Board of Nursing. I understand that she did not intend to fall asleep and that she was helping the patient, but rules are rules, aren't they? How I wish this hadn't been reported. Our facility rules clearly state "no sleeping on the job". Our Human Resources Office and the Director of Nursing will make the final decision. What do you all think?

A very serious decision has to be made here. This is a really excellent nurse and I'm afraid there will be no choice but to fire her and report her to the Board of Nursing. I understand that she did not intend to fall asleep and that she was helping the patient, but rules are rules, aren't they? How I wish this hadn't been reported. Our facility rules clearly state "no sleeping on the job". Our Human Resources Office and the Director of Nursing will make the final decision. What do you all think?

OUr facility had it, too. Unfortunatly I've fallen asleep while DOING my charting at the end of shift b/c I've been so tired. I always thought it was more embaressing than anything else that could happen (especially since when I sleep sitting up I tend to drool LOL). But, seriously, there has to be SOME understanding of what was going on that lead up TO that. If she'd gone into a room, climbed into a bed and fell asleep, sure, right out the door. But with the circumstances as you stated, I would say that there needs to be a discussion between all parties associated with the process AND her, and they all need to handel this rationally. And, most of all, I think she should get a warning, since it doesn't seem to be her intention, and another chance. I assume, from what you said, that this was the first time, she was soothing a resident, and it was a complete and unintentional accident. I really don't think its worth a stright firing over without at least a serious discussion first.

Specializes in critical care.

no one here has ever nodded off? not even for one teenie weenie sec while sitting with your charts at 4am and it is so quiet and next thing you know you are drooling and the alarm next to your head buzzes off. Please I've seen it . It happens. As a matter of fact it happens a lot. What are you NEW? Drop it! We have enough to battle for with out picking stupid fights amongst ourselves. If something was going on the rest of the staff ,new she was in the room. They would have aroused her. She told them where she was! If an emergency had arisen she would have known it. We stick together on my unit. I am glad I work with no one like all of you ready to hang this "excellent "nurse out to dry.

Specializes in ICU,CCU,Med-Surg,Post Partum,Tele, ER.

Should this nurse be fired? No! Should she be reported to the Board of Nursing? NO! Should she be reprimanded? Of course! Good nurses are too hard to come by. Let her be.

Sheryl

we are all humans and sometimes subjected to many kinds of situations that can lead to serious consequences.First of all was there any safety issue concerned or jeopardised?(patient comes first i assume he/she was safe)second she is a good nurse and was done with her assignment.Why in hell would you want to fire her?report her to the board of nursing?Does your hospital belief in second chances in their policies?im sure if a doctors have their lounges where they can take naps(in hiding) while nurses are subjected to overload and too much work.You reporting this nothing against you,i would think 2 times working next to you.Dont put people into problems and trouble.This is their life,may be children and huge family responsibilities involved and career.just think she is human too

Ok Guys and Girls

He who has no faults can throw the first stone. She made a mistake She Didn't kill anyone. With as short as we are I feel lucky to walk out with a safe noc.

Ok Guys and Girls

He who has no faults can throw the first stone. She made a mistake She Didn't kill anyone. With as short as we are I feel lucky to walk out with a safe noc.

I know it sounds harsh -- but sleeping on the job --- with a ventilated patient to look after --- what about this nurses other patients -- who looked after them while she was snoozing?

Fire her? Drastic measure, but whatever. Report her to the board of nursing?

Ridiculous!!!!! I guess this is just another one of the many reasons many good, caring, intelligent and fully competent nurses leave the profession. A very sad and scary commentary on the future of medical care in general.

I know it sounds harsh -- but sleeping on the job --- with a ventilated patient to look after --- what about this nurses other patients -- who looked after them while she was snoozing?

As been explained before, other staff were covering her pts.

I can never believe when someone cannot "think" out of the box. Reread your own statement. This is a very good nurse. I assume she is human also. Isn't it human to fall asleep, I mean I am sure she did not sit down to fall asleep but just accidently fell asleep. I think it would be an injustice to even write her up after the discussion of maybe how to prevent a reaccurance. Maybe she did not sleep well the night before. She did not "intentially" mean any harm and would have woken I am sure if he got restless. Why cannot you think it out. Rules are guidelines, no rule is carved in stone uless the person following is made of stone. Can't you understand or put yourself in her place. It is time to bend, anyone that is so rigid will eventually break as life if not rigid it flows.

Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator patients at 7am. She tells me that the patient was very restless and they had been constantly watching him throughout the night shift because of the fear of him pulling his trach out. They found he would settle down when someone sat with him and held his hand (how basic can nursing care get?). So, periodically during the night different staff members sat at his bedside. The nurse in question says that at 5am she had caught up on all her charting and told her co-workers that she was going to sit down in the room with the patient. She sat down, took his hand and he immediately quieted down. She sat back and the next thing she knew someone was waking her and telling her it was 7am. She jumped up and worked on giving her 6am meds and ended up giving an oral report to the oncoming shift (we tape report).

A very serious decision has to be made here. This is a really excellent nurse and I'm afraid there will be no choice but to fire her and report her to the Board of Nursing. I understand that she did not intend to fall asleep and that she was helping the patient, but rules are rules, aren't they? How I wish this hadn't been reported. Our facility rules clearly state "no sleeping on the job". Our Human Resources Office and the Director of Nursing will make the final decision. What do you all think?

Surely a risk cause analysis of this situation would highlight system problems that led to this incident. I thought we were moving toward a blame free culture where organisations can learn from mistakes and errors. Maybe a review of why the patient was so restless and none of the staff were able to get a medical review and something written up to help him/her is just as important as the nurse falling asleep. Nothing happens in isolation think James Reason's Swiss Cheese Model.

I hope this incident does not lead to the nurse's firing, that would be a crime in itself.

I agree with liz69 that a risk cause analysis should be done. On the other hand, if I'd sat down with a vent pt at 5AM that rythmic pump of the vent probably would have me asleep in 30 seconds or less. I bet her co-workers were aware but everything was cool, until they forgot to get her up. The post doesn't say if it was even her pt. Staff was probably glad he was quiet.:zzzzz

My g'pa used to tell me not to be critcal until i'd walked behind the other man's plow.:rolleyes:

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