Verbal, Written Warnings and Termination

Health care employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder of warnings, from verbal warning to written warnings with termination not far up. For many this is not an unrealistic fear, it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life. This is the nurse's guide to warnings and what to do when you get them. Nurses General Nursing Article

I know a lot of healthcare employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder from a verbal warning to written warnings and then fired. For many, this is not an unrealistic fear it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life.

For some employees, it is something which occurs out of the blue and was totally unexpected, for some they are expecting it to happen because of an incident which has to happen either by human error or an unfortunate series of events, but for most it is a devastating situation when it occurs.

Warnings, verbal or written, are usually part of the employer's policy and are not written into law in your state. Most states have "at will" employment where you can quit for any reason at any time, or your employer can fire you for any reason at any time.

So what are verbal warnings? They tend to be the initial step in the progressive discipline process. A verbal warning is an oral notice to an employee that he or she is not meeting expectations or that his or her behavior is inappropriate in the workplace.

A verbal warning may be an appropriate response to situations including:

  • inappropriate behavior that if repeated could lead to a written warning
  • use of derogatory language
  • tardiness
  • failure to follow hospital practices/policies

The next step is a written warning if poor work performance or a behavioral problem continues after an employee receives a verbal warning, a supervisor may need to employ a more serious measure.

A written warning might be an appropriate response to situations such as:

  • failure to comply with a verbal warning
  • insubordination
  • frequent absenteeism
  • in some instances, a written warning may be appropriate without a prior warning or a record of a prior offense.

Wikipedia quotes termination as

Involuntary termination is the employee's departure at the hands of the employer. There are two basic types of involuntary termination, known often as being "fired" and "laid off." To be fired, as opposed to being laid off, is generally thought of to be the employee's fault, and therefore is considered in most cases to be dishonorable and a sign of failure. Often, it may hinder the now job-seeker's chances of finding new employment, particularly if he/she has been fired from earlier jobs. Job-seekers sometimes do not mention jobs which they were fired from on their resumes; accordingly, unexplained gaps in employment, and refusal to contact previous employers are often regarded as red flags.

Termination of employment - Wikipedia

So what should we do if faced with a verbal warning?

We should see it as an opportunity to change whatever behavior is deemed inappropriate in our work environment. We might not always agree with what we are being accused of but at least you are being given a chance to change. You should take notes and not commit the meeting to memory, you can review them later when you are alone with time to think. If nothing else they can be the "before" point as you start a process of personal growth.

If your boss doesn't suggest a feedback appointment, ask for an appointment to discuss your progress at a reasonable interval. See this as a continuing dialogue, not just a one-time slap on the wrist.

Not all warnings are fair or appropriate. If the above steps have been taken and you were treated unfairly, you might want to talk to your boss or HR about the warning. Although it is just the first stage of discipline, it does go on your record so you shouldn't blow it off. If the situation persists unfairly, make sure your resume is up-to-date.

If you are given a written warning then you will have an opportunity to read then write your own comments, you are expected to sign a written warning and this is an area of concern for most people, are you signing to say you agree with what is written or are you signing to say you are acknowledging receipt of the written warning?

You are actually signing receipt of the written warning and not that you agree with what is written, many employees do refuse to sign written warnings. Hopefully, your manager would explain this to you.

During the course of my research, I found it interesting that there were more articles advising the employer how to discipline their employees than useful articles to help the employee work through their issues and what to do if they receive verbal or written warnings.

If you do find yourself in one of the above positions it is worthwhile to do a search on stress and how to manage stress, these articles do offer useful advice which will help you improve your working life and in turn will help you change which will in turn probably meet the work disciplinary requirements.

If you are reading my blog because it is something which is affecting your life at this time, the document, document, form a positive action plan implement an action plan and see it as a positive allowing you to change and improve.

Good luck

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So sorry, stfsu1 and losbozos! :redbeathe Were any of your bully-enabling manager's non-nurses?

I think you have a excellent point, cxg174. If any manager would rather write me up than support and work with me first, in any possible future job, I will split too, that is if I ever go back. The work is hard enough without all the nitnoid BS of egotistical personalities battling among themselves, trying to drag you down with them all the time. Life is too short for games like that. Evidently my non-nurse manager really got off on writing me up and targeting me with her bully gang of assistant managers and coworkers, at my 'magnet' workplace.

One of them actually told all the staff in a meeting where I brought up the fact that folks needed to report to RN in charge that day before leaving the floor for breaks, that, "Nobody needs to report to you before leaving the floor...". Then after the meeting she followed me in to the nurse's station telling me I better watch it or ,"...I'm gonna get you." This is at a magnet facility folks!

Needless to say it wasn't long before I was written up agian for saying something to a tech about smelling like cigarettes, taking like 10 cigarette breaks a day near our entrance, and then working with our cancer patients. Her smell made me nauseous at times. I can only imagine how the patients felt.

Have you been to my world? The world of the warnings? Tomorrow is the day I think I get the boot. I have been worried sick about it and that hasn't helped any. . How did I get into this I've asked all the dead people I know to help me out as I'm not really helping myself right now.

I think I will resign so they don't have to tell a future employer the dreaded words "not eligible for rehire" . I'm waaaaay too old for this.

I hope you find work. I really do.

Specializes in med surg, cardiac step down, rehab, geri.

couple of things here.... give a 2 weeks notice smile tell them how wonderful it's been blah blah blah

or just see what they do Monday if they don't fire you start a journal names, dates times incidents

it's a legal document if and when they do fire you you have concret evidence

Yes, violets spring, we've been in your bullying, warning world! So sorry you've gotten stuck in this mess! Give them your notice before they do that 'no rehire' BS.:twocents: Beat them to the punch on Monday. Write up your 2 weeks notice now. I wish I would've left that way, or at least just transferred to another area, instead of letting them, 'get me'. Hopefully, you will find a better place where your work, skills and experience will be appreciated. No matter what, staying in a hostile work environment is never worth it. It's a killer, really, all that unwarranted stress. It just ages us quicker. Know you have other nurses thinking of you and supporting you through the airwaves tomorrow!:redbeathe

Specializes in med surg, cardiac step down, rehab, geri.

just a quick thought in any one particular facility non union

what would the bullies and the ones who enable them do if there were " a white out"

no nurses show up I agree it would be a hardship for one shift but no nurse can work over 16 hrs

maybe a point would be made

Specializes in med surg, cardiac step down, rehab, geri.

just adding........ I'm from Boston and sometimes it really does take a tea party to reform what's wrong with things

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.

It seems that my reply was lost when I went to get a smilie for it....... Oh monitor!

Write to your local newspapers about your treatment. There really is nothing you can do fighting them - they will lie and lie and lie to win. However, getting the truth out about them will tarnish their reputation. Maybe that will cause some change in the industry, knowing it won't be kept behind closed doors.

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.

It's important that many nurses who were victims of similar unlawful firings, write about that in local newspapers, as one report can indicate that one malcontent who possibly deserved it, was terminated. Not everyone realizes how expensive litigation is.

It may be possible to contact your minister, pastor, rabbi or other religious official, to speak up at services/community committees where you can convince many people of your intention to see that the experience you had, won't be repeated. If you have good public speaking skill, this can be very effective, and others may speak up about their own bad treatment at the place where you were employed. It's very good therapy to express what happened to you.

On the other hand, in smaller communities, that can ruin chances for attaining other work.......

Specializes in med surg, cardiac step down, rehab, geri.

change must begin in the facility before ruining any chance of working in that city/town because of speaking out in the public one must begin change when the bullying begins

start with HR we are employees at will therefor can be let go for any inane reason and all hiring managers know this

I have found that the day shift sticks together to bully the other shifts ( not all join in )

but I also found that speaking up to the DON makes a huge difference it's like a warning shot

I know what's going on and it won't be tolerated kind of message

it has worked so far

well i have not in a million years thought this was what I would be up against as a new nurse, and I was very naive. This very thing has happened to me, due to politics and dysfunctional isolated nurses and managers I never knew what I was up against in all this time. I can't even begin to explain the length of what happened, but I have read some others' experiences here and know that termination DOES really happen due to conniving nurse and nurse mgrs! And being new I hadn't any idea that my position was being deliberately and intentionally threatened by fake and false claims that could be proven otherwise if someone would have looked at it more carefully. I should have got a lawyer who could shred the information for the facts. Thanks others for posting as it really helps to expose the truth about the politics of institutions and people in these fields, the brutal abuse of power that ruins the lives of others. I wish 20/20 would do an expose on the nurse bullying and conniving managers. I recently read an article about office politics and a comparison to the show Survivor. It was a great perspective on how to "win" the million dollars, or hence keep your job!