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Hey everyone I am starting nursing school in two weeks, and I was wondering if they do drug tests before or during the courses. On occasion, some of my friends and I may smoke up for a bit. ... Read More
Aug 15, '03I wanted to let you know how things work at my school (US) and offer another perspective.
At my school they don't right off the bat drug test everyone. If they have reason to suspect that you are abusing drugs though, they do have the right to send you to a physcian for a physical and drug screen.
The also have the right to boot you out of the program if your conviction/back ground status should change, ie. you get arrested/convicted of a felony, which at this time still includes illegal drug use for those of you in Canada and certainly in the US.
So, lets say you and some friends are smoking in a dorm room, in your car, at a park or even at a party at someone's apartment. And then, lets say you get busted by a Resident Assistant or a cop and they press charges against you for illegal drug use/possession. You would have to notify the school board, an investigation would take place, and they would issue a judgement to either kick you out of the program or let you continue.
Now, lets say they let you continue in the program. You still may not be able to take the NCLEX anytime soon after graduation, if at all. So all the time, money and hard work spent in the education program would be for not.
Now, even if they don't drug test is it still worth it to take that risk?
Aug 15, '03Originally posted by Cassiggity
I think Eddye was being sarcastic.
I won't share my opinion on how stupid it is to live your life impaired by drugs, or how drugs can make you make bad decisions.
The point is, it is illegal. If you are in a position to take care of others and guide them on making healthy decisions, it it hypocritical to then go home and get high.
Nursing is stressful and emotionally taxing. I'm sure every nurse would love to toke up and forget the problems of the day. But they don't. They are brave and thick-skinned and that's what makes them nurses.
I would not want a pothead nurse taking care of me any more than I'd want an alcoholic nurse. Someone that unstable shouldn't take care of others, in my opinion.
I guess I, personally, hold nursing and nurses to a higher standard than other jobs. I think nurses dispense health care and advice and should make great lengths to live a healthy lifestyle.
God, I'm such an idealist.
Aug 15, '03I don't see as you'd have too much to wory about, law wise. If you were south of the border I'd say otherwise. But I agree with hobbes, smoking up isn't the greatest thing to be doing if you plan on using your wits for a living.
Aug 15, '03I will re-iterate: Regardless of what the law says or what your school may or may not test for, the REAL issue is that you are risking a career. Would you want YOUR nurse to be under the influence of pot or anything else???
Aug 15, '03The short-term effects of marijuana include:
problems with memory and learning;
distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch);
trouble with thinking and problemsolving;
loss of motor coordination; and
increased heart rate.
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
Athletes could find their performance is off; timing, movements, and coordination are all affected by THC. Also, since marijuana can affect judgment and decisionmaking, its use can lead to risky sexual behavior, resulting in exposure to sexually transmitted diseases like HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Lungs and airways
Lungs and airways--People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.
Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.
If someone is high on marijuana, he or she might
seem dizzy and have trouble walking;
seem silly and giggly for no reason;
have very red, bloodshot eyes; and
have a hard time remembering things that just happened.
When the early effects fade, over a few hours, the user can become very sleepy.
How does marijuana affect driving?
A: Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and the ability to react quickly. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.
(To the poster who didn't think pot affects driving):
Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink
Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Scientists are still learning about the many ways that marijuana can affect the brain.
OH YEAH, sounds like "nurse material" to me.
Last edit by Spidey's mom on Aug 15, '03
Aug 15, '03Originally posted by Agnus
I am answering before I read what others have said to you.
You are in denial. Unless you get over your denial and face the facts of life squarely like an adult then you do not belong in Nursing. "harmless, we BARELY do it maybe a few time a year."
I guarentee you will find sympathizers on this board. Whether they agree or not they are in denial as well.
FACT it is NOT harmless
FACT it is ILLEGAL
FACT breaking the law is NOT HARMLESS
I will not provide you information to help you get around the law, nor around school policies so that you can become a nurse.
YOU SHOULD BE Worried. What worries me more about your using is NOT the fact you are using, but is the fact you will not acknowlege that it is not a harmless substance and that it is a Criminal act and there is no place in nursing for people who engage in criminal activity no matter how "harmless.". GET some help if you need to, inorder to get off it. If you don't need help then stop. If you can stop there is no reason for you to be posting such a question.
I know you will ignore me but I could not ignore your question.
P. S. I just went back after posting this and read your subsequent posts. What makes you think Alcohol is harmless? What makes you think it is O. K. to drink and work too?
If if is going to be decriminalized then Why are you worried? I think you already know the answers. Again I could not resist.
His decision, on his time. doesn't effect work.
but whatever. I'm not 'addicted' to it. i said i used it a few times a year. that is hardly a problem in my books.
im not going to do it again, so it's all good.
Aug 15, '03Like other posts have said, it's illegal, so of course schools will see it as a problem.
Aug 15, '03I personally have smoked marijuana, enjoyed it, and was never addicted to it as I was to ETOH. I also don't believe it is anywhere near as dangerous as booze---when was the last time you heard of a pot smoker who assaulted someone, killed their spouse, or just generally turned into an a$$hole because of their habit? All it does is basically rob the smoker of any ambition he or she might have had, and frankly, this world could do with some mellower people.
That said, I sense some flippancy in your post that tells me you don't take the risks to your future all that seriously, and makes me question your commitment to nursing. For one thing, as other people have stated, it's ILLEGAL, and whether we agree with that or not, it's still the law. Where I live, the penalties for getting caught with weed are often less than for going 45 MPH in a 25 MPH zone, but if the state BON got wind of it, there goes the nursing license.....at the very least, one would be placed in the Nurse Monitoring program and watched carefully for a minimum of one year. Then the employer has grounds to terminate, regardless of whether one smokes once a day, or once a year. And if they don't fire you outright, they can test your blood or urine at any time they choose, and you have absolutely nothing to say about it except "OK, gimme the cup".
It's not worth it, DMR1. If you're going to be a nurse, you have to want that worse than you want to smoke pot. While I too wish we could go back to the days when our off-duty habits and behaviors were none of our employers' business---and I don't drink OR smoke anymore---those days are long gone, and we have to be grownups now.
Aug 15, '03"I personally have smoked marijuana, enjoyed it, and was never addicted to it as I was to ETOH. I also don't believe it is anywhere near as dangerous as booze---when was the last time you heard of a pot smoker who assaulted someone, killed their spouse, or just generally turned into an a$$hole because of their habit?" quote by mjlrn97
Hiya -steph here . . . meet exhibit A . . my ex-husband.
He chose marijuana over me and his two boys. He was violent at times. He had a car accident under the influence of pot and ended up in jail on the day my eldest son, then 2 years old, broke his leg.
Just because statistically alcohol seems more dangerous than pot (that may be due to the amount of people who drink (alot) vs the amount who smoke (not as much) . . . doesn't mean it isn't dangerous at all. There is danger to having your coordination and judgment effected by smoking pot and then driving.
There is nothing "puritan" about caring about whether people choose muddling their mind over getting an education. Or choosing pot over your kids.
1 capitalized : a member of a 16th and 17th century Protestant group in England and New England opposing as unscriptural the ceremonial worship and the prelacy of the Church of England
2 : one who practices or preaches a more rigorous or professedly purer moral code than that which prevails
Chosing not to use pot is a healthy choice. Why in the world berate someone for making a healthy choice?
stephLast edit by Spidey's mom on Aug 15, '03