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Hi all--

I was in the chat room last nite and talked to a few people and got some pretty good advice but was trying to still process what would be the best thing for me to do. I am a new grad since May of last year. I began working at a hospital in Sept and they just recently began training me for a Team Leader position, since they do team nursing there. Well, it's been a complete disaster. Their turnover is tremendous, they understaff all the time. They only gave me a two week orientation! Most of my friends are getting 6-12 weeks at their hospitals. Well, on my last nite of orientation something happened and I don't know if I could even go back to work there. I was trying to wait until my six mos and transfer to a hospital within the same system. And if I didn't do that, I wanted to give a two week notice to cover my references. People are telling me that nursing jobs are so abundant that it shouldn't be a big deal but I don't want to burn any bridges. Okay, here's what happened in a nutshell---WARNING! It may contain some graphic material but I may not be able to explain it and the depth of it without going into detail. Sorry if I offend anyone. Okay, I work on a med-surg, post surgical unit. We had a lady come from the ER who was in the process of a miscarriage. She was 17 weeks and her US showed that the baby was in her pelvic/lady partsl area. She came to the ER stating that she felt the "baby was coming out". Okay, so I admit this woman - I'm still on orientation supposedly. First of all, she shouldn't have even been on our floor and second, I should have had someone help me through this mess. Well, I get her admitted, she's comfortable, and then the doc shows up. My preceptor or whatever you want to call her, sends me in with the doc and disappears! At this point, the doc is asking for some gloves and lubrication. And before I know it, she's pulling out this fetus. Oh my gosh, I didn't know what to do. The patient was basically in shock. Then the doc says she needs a clamp and sterile scissors which we don't carry on our floor because we are not an OB floor. We had to call the OB floor, and the house supervisor. In the meantime the doc is waiting like 20 mins to cut the cord....then she asks me for a blanket to wrap the baby in. Hands the baby to me!!! I didn't know what to do. And the patient is right there. She tells me to put the baby in the STORAGE ROOM until the mother decides if she wants to hold, have a burial,.....etc. In the meantime, OB comes down, weighs it, takes footprints, and explains all this stuff we need to do, the forms, etc. the grieving materials for the mom....and that we need to take some polaroids of it. I had a new grad nurse with me who was very brave, thank god. Well, then we were told that if the mother decided to "dispose" of the baby that we would have to put it in saline water. So they gave us the things we needed and left. I know that I may have to deal with things such as this in my career but I feel it was totally wrong for me to be left alone. Now I feel like I'm suffering from PTSD or grief or something like that. I am ready to just leave this place but I want a good reference....or at this point I don't know if I care. I was going to call on Monday and tell them I can't work under these conditions any more, that my license is on the line. Someone here mentioned to me to go get a doc's note saying I can't return to work but then others are saying that may look incompetent when I go to the next place. I need some serious advice before Monday when I have to go back to this place. I don't feel safe here. I have only had two weeks of training and they are throwing me to the wolves.....

Please help!

Specializes in Oncology, Med-Surgical.

Hi everyone!

Well, a quick update....I DID try to get into the chat room last nite for a good hour...but couldn't. Really would have liked to talk to everyone and thank you for ALL your wonderful support. I felt so much better after reading all your messages. What a GREAT bunch!!! I went to church this morning and feel a little bit better. I still feel a bit raw though, like I got punched in the stomach or something.

As far as what I will do about a notice or not, I probably messed up by leaving a voice mail for my boss earlier yesterday. I was pretty distressed and I told her I can't work under these conditions and didn't even know if I could give a proper notice. Then after talking with the doctor from EAP I called her back this morning more calmly and told her I had to call them, and that I'm following up with them. I told her I would be contacting HR on Monday and will not be able to work Monday and Tuesday. She's known not to call people back, wow---there's more NONsupport. Not surprising....but at least I kinda told her how I feel, how distressing this was for me and I also told her I need to do what's right and mabye this isn't the best fit for me as a new grad. What I really want to do is cry and tell her HOW could you run a staff like this!!! But I realize I must remain professional even though they haven't been the least bit professional with me. Yes, It's unfair and I'll never forget the way these nurses treated me, but I know it's also a learning experience. I just hope I can pull myself back up again by my bootstraps and not let this tear my self confidence down....

Thanks to all of you, I think I'm doing better.

Thanks again!!!!!

Amy

Specializes in Nurse Education, Obstetrics, Surgery.

Apologies to all who think I'm upset about some of the comments by what I've posted. When I reread my original post to Amy, I still thought that I was supporting her not giving excuses or stoking the fire about fellow team members or the work environment. As for me knowing who you guys are and keeping track of who's naughty and who's nice, I don't spend THAT much time in this site. I don't keep a list of who I like or dislike, I just go by what I read in the thread. OK?

I was just going with what my feelings were when I read Hoolahan's original post re: "new grads do not know how to improvise". Hoolahan, I accept your correction that yes,some new grads do not...... I have seen new grads that know a lot (either from their schooling or their past experiences) and I've seen new grads who don't know a thing or pretend they don't anything (we all know how hard school was. They passed with something under their belt).

I thought that my original post was letting Amy know that I think she did a great job prepared or not. And yes, I have worked with doctors who specifically want something. I have either gotten these things for them or I tell them that's the best I could do with what I have available. If the doc said his (or her, SORRY 4XNurse, I fell for the nurses are girls and doctors are boys stereotype. Help!Dig me out of this hole.), requests in front of the patient then the pt. will know that it wasn't your fault for having her lay there for so long while waiting for OB to bring their stuff.

Again, Amy, follow your heart and your dreams. Don't allow these events and feelings snuff them out. Go with your gut feelings. If it's not right for you then it's not for you. Don't internalize your thoughts or anyone else's. Does your preceptor know that you're having a hard time with this b/c she abandoned you? Some preceptor's assume that you can handle things and it's our job to let them know that you need assistance. I've pushed call buttons before and yelled for help. If this person wasn't helpful maybe she shouldn't be a preceptor. Write a letter or several letters. Even if you don't send them out at least you've got your feelings out. Make a list of all the things you've done well. You will see that you are a good nurse because you have a heart. Again, (((((HUGS)))))) to you and everyone who's helping you.

Specializes in Psych, hospice, family practice.

Hi Amy,

Sounds like you're feeling a bit better this morning, even if still somewhat ragged around the edges, which is quite understandable. Sorry not to have been able to chat last night. A few of us tried several other things, i.e. Yahoo/MSN. It was actually pretty late by the time we got it worked out, but at least it's available for future reference just in case. Caj says the chat room is down for some updates or something (some technical stuff).

Anyway - hang in there friend. You've definately got guts - and that will get you through the rest of this mess.

Take care,

Mary

I'm glad you're feeling better Amy! :) The EAP counselor was a great idea!

You're on the right track now for sure! I'm so glad to hear you handled yourself professionally because in some areas of the country it WILL follow you around if you aren't careful how you handle resignations. I left a hospital here in Texas 16 years ago with only a one week notice because I lost my babysitter ( the hubby was traveling and unavailable a lot). This 1 week notice STILL follows me around to this day; shows up on a Group One pre-employment screen as a "will not rehire". Talking with older nurse coworkers will help you get a feel how things work in your area. I've never heard a nurse say she regretted handling herself professionally in any event! ;)

As far as the future, try to look back on this as a learning experience, as corny as that may sound. I've been there and we all have. Each time you make a decision best for you or your patients you learn more about yourself and become a better nurse. Best wishes, girlfriend!:))

Specializes in Oncology, Med-Surgical.

Hi all!

Well, I'm waiting to hear from my manager today and HR. So far, nothing. I've left voice mails for both of them. Should I be persistent or just chill until they decide to call me back. My stomach is in knots. Yesterday I felt like I came down with a case of the flu. I was nauseous, getting stomach cramps, and achy all over. I am wondering if I should even use this place as a reference. I've only been there six mos. and just recently started my orientation as a Team Leader, where I was doing RN duties.

I'm not sure if I should go and get a doc's note to back me up. But I won't be going in today or tomorrow. I wish my manager would call me back so I could stop worrying. I have a neighbor who dropped of some applications for jobs where she is employed. She works at a state mental health facility. Don't know if I could handle that.....lol. What do you think?

Hope everyone is doing good.

Amy

Amy,

My first job out of school was at an area hospital and I only stayed there 6 WEEKS. I put that place down on my next application, not so much as a reference but so could I be honest. They did ask me why I left and I told them that the floor and I were not a good fit. That was all that was said.

This was in the mid 90's when there was NO nursing shortage and they did not say a thing. With the times as they are now, you will not have to explain your self........and frankly I would not say anything bad about that employer.

Yes, I know it reeks to high heaven.......hospitals get away with crummy behavior and the employEEs are the ones who are supposed to be nice and not say bad things about them.......but that is the way it is........and not just in nursing in all industries, all industries.

You can look at this as an opportunity to really look at yourself and decide what you want to do with your career. Think about what you want...do you want to work with adults, kids, in the OR....there are many areas in nursing.

I would not give up on med/surg because of that one experience, if that is an area of interest. Also, judging by your statements about pysch that area dont sound like your cup of tea.

Specializes in ER.

Amy, let them call YOU back. While you are waiting send in your resignation letter (with notice) and go to your doc to get a sick letter for the next two weeks.

Don't be surprised if they don't do anything to make things better. They may not call back. But you went into nursing to make things better for people and you deserve to work somewhere that provides you with the resources to do your job.

So move on without guilt. One bad job experience never put anyone out of the market, and an experienced manager will recognize your maturity in leaving. BUT you need to process the whole experience so you can relate it calmly and factually. So take care of your self.

PS I know the best thing would be for the HR dept or manager to recognize your distress and apologize, and make some policy changes because you spoke out. That's probably not going to happen, but so long as you offer the information to them, the lack of action is all on them.

I'm sending you a big old hug... [[[{{{(((Amy)))}}}]]] there.

Oh sorry, Amy I did not answer your first question. I personally would not call them again. You have already made attempts to them and they have not called you back. It is not like you are going to keep this job, if you were I would say call.

If they do not contact you prior to the day before you are due to go back to work I would call and ask what the deal is.

It really gets down to how much notice you want to give....if any. They should have already figured that out.

You say you are close to 6 months on the job...how close. When you put down your time on the app..just use months not actual dates.

Specializes in Oncology, Med-Surgical.

Thanks Phantom and canoe!

Well, the whole problem is I'm scheduled to work today and tomorrow! The Doctor that has been working with me called me back, said he's even called HR for me and left a voice mail. I am supposed to call off four hours in advance but when I left my voice mail to my manager, I told her I would not be coming in today or tomorrow. I don't want it to look like job abandonment.

As far as using them on my resume, I know six mos is something as far as experience but if I leave without notice, aren't they more prone to put me down as a non-rehire for other employers?

Specializes in Everything except surgery.

Dear Amy,

Sorry to hear that you haven't got any relief from your sx yet, and that you still don't have closure in this situation. I have a feeling...that the NM is probably getting her ducks in a row...by getting answers to what happened, and why...as she now has others asking questions also d/t this MD calling HR.

I would follow the advice you have received ....especially the one stating get a sick slip for the next two weeks. Talk to your doc, and tell him exactly how this has affected you, and see what he is willing to do help. Tell him your sx...and I'm sure just as the EAP Dr you talked to took you seriously....your own MD will probably do so also.

Don't sit by the phone waiting for it to ring....do something to lift your spirits. Take care of yourself!..:cool:

Specializes in Oncology, Med-Surgical.

Thanks for the reply.

I paged the Doc again from EAP and he said he couldn't believe that noone was calling me back. He told me to call my manager and inform her that I'm prepared to send in my resignation letter and that I may have to go see my doc due to stress and anxiety. I feel like a wimp! Who's going to hire me if I have that in my file?? I guess he said to cover me for the next two weeks (my notice). My MD is at lunch, I guess I will try to get in to see her. In the mean time, I had to call off today because I'm scheduled to work. I left messages with my boss and her boss, since they don't have a nursing house supervisor at the moment. What a joke. At this point, I don't care about doing the "RIGHT" thing with the notice if this is the way they are going to treat me. I guess if they give me a bad reference, they give me a bad reference. I can't stress out about it anymore. I could just not even put them down on my resume.....HELP. I'm stressin big time again. I can't believe the crap this place is putting me through.

Thanks,

Amy

Specializes in Everything except surgery.

Amy...please calm down......

Now you have called in, and covered your behind. You have done ALL you can do about this situation at this point. It is time to let it go. You know you can't go back there...as you're stressing far too much right now. Please...make no more phone calls..except to your doctor. Do not think pass the point of talking to your MD.

If you don't drink...and if you like bowling...so out and hit some pins, and get your frustrations out...:). Take a pillow off the bed and just SCREAM your head off. (that way the neighbors won't call the cops)..:) I can see that you're so caring about others, and what others will think...you have worked yourself up into a frenzied state. You must let go now...and relax. Go rent a silly movie...and laugh! Walk if you can.....or even go do some exercises...great stress reliever. You have the day to yourself...at least I hope your children are school age. So enjoy your time off....and stop feeling gulity. You will have no problems getting another job. Geeze ...I have burned a couple of bridges in my day....and I haven't looked back either. Yes I can't go back to work for that facilitiy...but neither do EVER wish to. I'd rather go work at Walmart!!! But I had no problem getting work afterwards. So don't sweat the small stuff. This is not the end of your career...far from it.

Enjoy the day....:cool:

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