The Top Three AN Red Herrings

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. It seems to me that whenever there is a debate here on AN, there are three predictable "red herrings" that get tossed into the mix. For those that don't know, a red herring is an element that distracts attention away from the real argument. There may be more, but these top three are the ones I have noticed the most. Perhaps others have more to add to the list! Feel free!

#1) The "Where is Your Compassion" Red Herring. Inevitably, whenever a poster takes an unpopular stance, their compassion is called into question. Questioning a nurse's compassion is like questioning a mechanic's willingness to get their hands dirty. It's such an integral part of nursing that I would give 99.9% of nurses the benefit of the doubt that they give compassionate care, no matter their opinion on a matter.

#2) The "Exception to the Rule" Red Herring. This one is pretty obvious. Whenever someone makes a generalization, no matter how much truth that generalization holds, someone always has to pipe up about their brother's mother in law's cousin who "had x,y, and z, but still managed to do a, b, and c". Know what? There is *always* an exception to the rule. That doesn't make the generalization any less true.

#3) The "Well, if you have never had (fill in the blank), then you couldn't possibly know anything about it" Red Herring. This one assumes that, for example, if I have never had a broken bone, I know nothing about the appropriate assessment, treatment, and follow up for that condition. Unless I have had my arm ripped off in an industrial accident, I couldn't possibly know anything at all about how to treat that patient. Unless I have not personally experienced burns over 50% of my body, I could not possibly know what is the most critical thing that needs to be done with that person.

Well, that's my little rant for the evening. Good night, all! :yawn:

I totally agree with what she was saying. I think her point was to say that an RN is equipped to take care of a variety of patients without saying, I've never had this type of patients, so I can't do it. I was just saying basically any compitent nurse would be able to manage a patients signs and symptoms without failure to rescue issues if they are competent. But I just wanted to emphasize that (probably because I come from a teaching facility) I very much enjoy getting a patient that they are using various equipment on such as an arterial line, and are willing to train me on the job for it, and not say, Well, she doesn't already know how to do this, so she can't work on this floor.

How about the endless debates about BSNs vs ADNs? That seems to pop up in a large number of threads here no matter how irrelevant.

Yes and more and more hospitals are requiring nurses to have a BSN within the next 5 years.

Specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

What about the "blowing it out of proportion"

Post: I gave my patient Ativan for their agitation and it didn't work. What other medicines have you used for this?

Answer: Obviously you lack nursing skills if you can't calm a pt without medicine. Why you are trying to sedate your patient? A good nurse would give them a back rub and glass of warm milk.

Specializes in ER, Pediatric Transplant, PICU.

Oh, we just added one in another thread...

the "that's discrimation" or "but what if it's my culture?" RH. Hahaha.

Specializes in ED, Informatics, Clinical Analyst.
What about the "blowing it out of proportion"

Post: I gave my patient Ativan for their agitation and it didn't work. What other medicines have you used for this?

Answer: Obviously you lack nursing skills if you can't calm a pt without medicine. Why you are trying to sedate your patient? A good nurse would give them a back rub and glass of warm milk.

There better be cookies with that milk!

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Yes I was going to say this one!! Someone has a bad day, complains, and a least one person has to say "Well I can't get hired so I'd gladly work for this company that treats you like crap! Stop complaining because at least you have a job!!"

Ugh!

So I will add my vent, it's semi along the lines of this and been driving me nuts lately. You work hard to find a job, you do everything right, get out there, get noticed, followed up, bite the bullet and take boards within days of graduating to get a jump start and as you start getting interviews everyone tells you how "lucky" you are. As if you didn't just bust your behind to get "lucky". Or how about new grads complaining they aren't getting job hits but they aren't willing to work this shift or that shift and no holidays won't do and this unit won't work for me but boohoooo no one will even give me a shot.

Oh and I am offended it's a red herring, what about the blue herrings or purple herrings or why does it need to be a herring at all. Really you are trying to talk about red headed people aren't you but disguising it with the word herring.

Oh and I am offended it's a red herring, what about the blue herrings or purple herrings or why does it need to be a herring at all. Really you are trying to talk about red headed people aren't you but disguising it with the word herring.

Doubtful since I am a redhead.;)

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Doubtful since I am a redhead.;)

Maybe it's secret self loathing. :| :p

But, but, but, that is a great disservice to all your fellow redheads! :rolleyes: :mad:

Specializes in LTC.

We have several cliches in the CNA forum too. One of my favorites is, "The CNAs at my clinical site are awful! They didn't welcome us to the facility with a song and dance and send us off with a cuddle at the end of the night! And they're so mean to the residents! One of them even rolled her eyes when she walked out of a resident's room! I thought CNAs were supposed to have rainbows shooting out of their butts at all times! Well, I have never been so offended in my life! Those people should all be fired! I just know that I am going to be the BEST CNA EVER, because for one thing I am so good it only took me 10 minutes to brush a patient's dentures and it took my classmate 12 minutes. Our preceptor kept coming in and asking us if we were done yet. I think she just hates us because we're so much more caring and professional than her. I can't wait to be a real CNA and make $20/hr working at a hospital... by the way, does anyone have any tips for landing a hospital job because I am much too caring to work in a nursing home and besides I'm going to be a nurse one day and real nurses don't work in LTC. Okay thanx everyone bye!!!!

Specializes in ICU.
I thought CNAs were supposed to have rainbows shooting out of their butts at all times!

Haha! That sounds like it would be awfully uncomfortable...

Specializes in Mental Health, Medical Research, Periop.
We have several cliches in the CNA forum too. One of my favorites is, "The CNAs at my clinical site are awful! They didn't welcome us to the facility with a song and dance and send us off with a cuddle at the end of the night! And they're so mean to the residents! One of them even rolled her eyes when she walked out of a resident's room! I thought CNAs were supposed to have rainbows shooting out of their butts at all times! Well, I have never been so offended in my life! Those people should all be fired! I just know that I am going to be the BEST CNA EVER, because for one thing I am so good it only took me 10 minutes to brush a patient's dentures and it took my classmate 12 minutes. Our preceptor kept coming in and asking us if we were done yet. I think she just hates us because we're so much more caring and professional than her. I can't wait to be a real CNA and make $20/hr working at a hospital... by the way, does anyone have any tips for landing a hospital job because I am much too caring to work in a nursing home and besides I'm going to be a nurse one day and real nurses don't work in LTC. Okay thanx everyone bye!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! :hhmth:

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