the term "animal nurse" - page 6

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  1. by   nursbee04
    Quote from telenurse04
    But, I agree that BSN nurses are better prepared to take care of groups of people and society than ADN nurses therefore they are better prepared and more professional. I am certainly NOT knocking ADN programs. I was an ADN graduate. However, in my RN-BSN program we are learning about legislative issues in health care, how to change policies, what nurse managers and administrators do, what nursing reserach is about..none of that I learned in my ADN program. If I didn't go through the RN-BSN program, I would be lost when it comes to issues beyond the bedside care of my patient. If nurses want to be empowered to take control of their work, they need to know about the larger picture. Devils advocate...sure if you are an ADN graduate and you work for years and years..you'll eventually pick up on some political savvyness and maybe even be offered education on reserach and do your own reserach through your employer.
    Um, I don't know where you went to school, but in my ADN program, we have classes in mngmt, we went to capital hill and talked with nursing lobbyists, we looked at different care delivery systems, discussed which works best, learned about management styles, budgets, etc. Yes, this was an ADN program. I think you are the one who should look at the bigger picture- as nurses we should value each other, not point out why BSN's are better than ADN's - and to imply that as an ADN graduate I don't know anything about political issues or issues beyond bedside nursing illustrates your closed mindedness better than I ever could. I'm sorry if I am too harsh but I get very tired of this argument. And the very fact that it popped up in a thread about vet techs just irritates me even more. Once again I apologize if I'm too harsh.
  2. by   braun5925
    nursbee04 - that's exactly my point. I definitley think it's a waste of time and energy to play the "who's better" game. That's my point. If other people want to put the energy forth, so be it.
    I'm just happy that we've got ADN's, RN and vet nurses/techs, NPs, CRNA's, etc.!
  3. by   LilyVictor
    Yes, I did correct her, and gave the proper advice to the person asking questions. I was just trying to keep my reply short.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    thank you lily. Ya done good. I wish more of us would do the same.
  5. by   LilyVictor
    I, too, was an ADN graduate, then got my BSN. Frankly, I had more informative classes and nursing practice in my ADN school! When anybody asks my opinion in my hometown about which nursing school to go to, I always recommend the Diploma school, because they get more nursing practice and are more equipped upon graduation to at least know "which end is up" about patient care. Patient care is what is really important, not legislation. I do agree legislation is very important, but all of those high and might theories taught in BSN school just confused a lot of my fellow students. I have been told by more than one BSN grad----"I was trained to do management.....not empty bedpans." My reply is that you are there to do whatever the patient needs, within reason.

    Sorry, SmilingBlueEyes, this one wasn't as short, but this "I'm better than you are stuff" just makes me mad!
    Last edit by LilyVictor on Apr 23, '04
  6. by   mamabear
    Quote from LilyVictor
    I, too, was an ADN graduate, then got my BSN. Frankly, I had more informative classes and nursing practice in my ADN school! When anybody asks my opinion in my hometown about which nursing school to go to, I always recommend the Diploma school, because they get more nursing practice and are more equipped upon graduation to at least know "which end is up" about patient care. Patient care is what is really important, not legislation. I do agree legislation is very important, but all of those high and might theories taught in BSN school just confused a lot of my fellow students. I have been told by more than one BSN grad----"I was trained to do management.....not empty bedpans." My reply is that you are there to do whatever the patient needs, within reason.

    Sorry, SmilingBlueEyes, this one wasn't as short, but this "I'm better than you are stuff" just makes me mad!
    I'm tired of it too: this whole "who's better" ADN/diploma/BSN debate has been done to death. I've been an RN since 1982, and it was old news back then :angryfire
    As I've said a zillion times: you don't know nursing until you get out on the floor and DO IT! Regardless of your degree
  7. by   BabyChainus
    Well, all I can say is a huge pffffftttt.

    Everybody in this forum and other forums for that matter is doing their very best at their own respective fields (No doubt about that!!!) We have our own UNIQUE roles in the nursing and medical field.( That's for sure.... ). The only common factor that we all have is that "WE CARE!!!". ALL of US are tending and delivering quality patient care for our respective clients.

    What saddens me most is the fact that some people need to malign and belittle other professionals to put an emphasis on the issues of their own profession. The only best way to resolve the issues of Vet Techs re: their title and status is to address it to the people who can pass a bill and commence any change at all. ( The last time I checked....human nurses are not one of them )

    The world is too big for all of us to have our own mark on it.:hatparty: Besides.....this issue is basically not worth our while. WHY???? Both profession is far far way different in a million ways. There is no focal connection or mode of comparison. :imbar Let's just all do our own thing in our own profession and make the world a little bit better to live in.

    Have a nice day all!!!!
  8. by   Ortho_RN
    Quote from BabyChainus
    The only best way to resolve the issues of Vet Techs re: their title and status is to address it to the people who can pass a bill and commence any change at all. ( The last time I checked....human nurses are not one of them

    Well actually I think they did try to get a bill passed or whatever, but the ANA through a fit, b/c the feel the need to protect the word "nurse"... So its not like they haven't tried..
  9. by   newgrad2004
    I think techs do a lot but in no way have to know the sorts of things nurses do. How many disease processes and drugs interactions and animal codes have they worked? How long would you code "fido". I dont think the laws and rights are the same for an animal as a person. How many court cases are argued over "wrongful death" of fido? We dont draw blood most times because in this field our expertise is needed else where. We can draw it. Its just the hospital employs people at a lower pay to do so, therefore freeing up the RN to do more difficult tasks like monitoring a hep drip or a cardiac drug. How many animals stay in ICU for months? These are animals, and therefore there are different laws. We as nurses have to know if an order isnt right, and know that if we give it our butts are on the line. Is it the same for a vet tech? Then you have the whole psyc issues and dealing with PEOPLE who are angry, sad, helpless and families of the patients.

    I do not care what you call yourselves but to say you know more (as a tech, or a vet tech) or that you do more is crazy.

    I have heard people even in the hospital stating someone being a "nurse" in the patients family, and yes it is hard because they do know a lot of what is going on. I have also heard of people "claiming" their family memeber is a nurse only to find out they are a tech, housekeeping, or work in Admin or some other aspect of the hospital
  10. by   Ortho_RN
    Quote from newgrad2004
    I think techs do a lot but in no way have to know the sorts of things nurses do. How many disease processes and drugs interactions and animal codes have they worked? How long would you code "fido". I dont think the laws and rights are the same for an animal as a person. How many court cases are argued over "wrongful death" of fido? We dont draw blood most times because in this field our expertise is needed else where. We can draw it. Its just the hospital employs people at a lower pay to do so, therefore freeing up the RN to do more difficult tasks like monitoring a hep drip or a cardiac drug. How many animals stay in ICU for months? These are animals, and therefore there are different laws. We as nurses have to know if an order isnt right, and know that if we give it our butts are on the line. Is it the same for a vet tech? Then you have the whole psyc issues and dealing with PEOPLE who are angry, sad, helpless and families of the patients.

    I do not care what you call yourselves but to say you know more (as a tech, or a vet tech) or that you do more is crazy.

    I have heard people even in the hospital stating someone being a "nurse" in the patients family, and yes it is hard because they do know a lot of what is going on. I have also heard of people "claiming" their family memeber is a nurse only to find out they are a tech, housekeeping, or work in Admin or some other aspect of the hospital
    Oh wow.. You have NO idea about a Vet Techs job..... Guess what every disease that humans get, animals can get 90% of them also.. So they do need to know disease processes... And yeah animals do code.. I have done CPR on many animals in my days as a Vet Tech... We get a Parvo puppy, they are in isolation for weeks!!! Being a vet tech and a nurse are pretty comparable if you look at it... Being a Vet Tech harder, nah... You do have a harder time finding out what is wrong with your patient, b/c they can't talk.. So you depend on your assessment skills and lab work to help you...

    Just wanted to clear things up for you..
  11. by   BabyChainus
    Quote from Ortho_RN
    Well actually I think they did try to get a bill passed or whatever, but the ANA through a fit, b/c the feel the need to protect the word "nurse"... So its not like they haven't tried..
    You cannot always expect an immediate YES to all of the demands in our own profession. Politicians change, man's perception change and that includes decisions on various issues. ANA might even have a strike if they want to just to protect the "nurse" definition. But hey!! this is a free country and if you have a point and you think it is right, I don't see any obstacle too impossible to overcome!! :imbar Difficulties?? YES but not an excuse to sulk and displace their resentment to other professionals. Perhaps, doing something about it AGAIN will be much more productive.
  12. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from Ortho_RN
    Oh wow.. You have NO idea about a Vet Techs job..... Guess what every disease that humans get, animals can get 90% of them also.. So they do need to know disease processes... And yeah animals do code.. I have done CPR on many animals in my days as a Vet Tech... We get a Parvo puppy, they are in isolation for weeks!!! Being a vet tech and a nurse are pretty comparable if you look at it... Being a Vet Tech harder, nah... You do have a harder time finding out what is wrong with your patient, b/c they can't talk.. So you depend on your assessment skills and lab work to help you...

    Just wanted to clear things up for you..

    I have had many pts who can't speak english, and there is no translator, and pts who are unable to speak. So I, as most other nurses, rely heavily on my assessment skills. There is nothing anyone could say to make me believe that being a vet tech is comparable to being a nurse.

    Being under the stress of saving a puppy and saving someones baby can't even be compared.

    If vet techs want to be nurses, then they should go to nursing school.
  13. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    In some areas LPN programs are only 10 months.

    Including prereqs, my LPN program was three years long. My RN program was also three years, with prereqs. So here I am, a simple ADN RN, with 127 credit hours.

    And where do these vet techs get the idea that others do blood draws for us? I work in an all RN dept, and we do all our own blood draws. In fact, we do everything- from assesssing pts and determining their tx and Rx, to emtying the trash.

    These vet techs are really coming off as nurse wannabes.

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