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How do you feel about working with a student nurse? How comfortable are you with the student nurse basically taking over your patients and paper work while you observe? If you are not comfortable... Read More

  1. Visit  wish_me_luck} profile page
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    Our peds day was more of observation, so I am not sure how we left a bad taste in their mouth. Plus, there was only one student at a time. And yes, there was mainly only one nurse that we went with because no one else wanted a student. Some nurses already had a new employee that they were orienting and to some degree were already frustrated.
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  3. Visit  PetsToPeople} profile page
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    rnsrwe i found your entire post unnecessary...as someone seems to have to mention in just about every thread, anyone should feel free to comment on any thread, wish_me_luck was simply stating her feelings on the matter and was not attacking anyone, unlike yourself when you had to take it to another level.

    i agree with wish_me_luck, and as a student nurse i completely understand that i add to the work load of a nurse, it's pretty obvious, and it will happen no matter how well prepared i am, how hard i try, how upbeat and positive i try to be or how many hoops i will jump through to try to prevent that. and if i have questions or problems, i go to my clinical instructor, not the nurses, because they are busy with their other pt's and that is what my instructor is there for. if you don't want a sn then speak up, no need to make yourself and us miserable. some people are fine with handling their assignments and a student, some are not, simple as that. also, not all sn are created equal either i feel bad for the nurses that get stuck with "certain" students.

    thank you gitanorn for your enthusiasm and willingness to help your fellow future nurses, i hope the students that are assigned to you realize how lucky they are.
  4. Visit  wish_me_luck} profile page
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    mama. RN that's the way it was with us the first two semesters. We did baths, assessments (again our assessment did not take the place of the nurse's assessment), and our instructor did meds with us and we went and observed procedures.
  5. Visit  RNsRWe} profile page
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    Quote from wish_me_luck
    Our peds day was more of observation, so I am not sure how we left a bad taste in their mouth. Plus, there was only one student at a time. And yes, there was mainly only one nurse that we went with because no one else wanted a student. Some nurses already had a new employee that they were orienting and to some degree were already frustrated.
    wish_me_luck, I clearly cannot get across to you the point of my post, so I won't persist in trying. I feel that you are being argumentative (something I am certain you would argue), and rather than hearing what I'm saying, you insist that you are right in every regard. I cannot change your mind, nor do I wish to keep up attempts, as I'm sure I won't succeed.

    Best of luck in your future career.
  6. Visit  MN-Nurse} profile page
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    Quote from musickx2
    How do you feel about working with a student nurse? How comfortable are you with the student nurse basically taking over your patients and paper work while you observe? If you are not comfortable with the student taking your patient load what do you like your student nurse to do while assigned to you and your patients.
    I like working with student nurses. The student nurse doesn't really take over while I observe, but that isn't your concern.
  7. Visit  RNsRWe} profile page
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    Quote from petstopeople
    rnsrwe i found your entire post unnecessary...as someone seems to have to mention in just about every thread, anyone should feel free to comment on any thread, wish_me_luck was simply stating her feelings on the matter and was not attacking anyone, unlike yourself when you had to take it to another level.
    i made no attack; i disagreed with a number of aspects of wish-me-luck's post and said so. apparently i am not allowed to comment on her post? interesting.

    i was also pointing out that the op asked a question for nurses to answer, and after one post from a nurse saying why s/he had a hard time with students, here we have a student arguing why it was actually the nurse's fault if there was a problem.

    if you found my entire post unnecessary, you clearly weren't understanding it at all.
    Fiona59, Rose_Queen, KelRN215, and 2 others like this.
  8. Visit  wish_me_luck} profile page
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    It's your opinion and you are entitled to it RNsRWe. And I respect that. I just get irritated because there are multiple posts about frustration with students. If you do not want them, just say so. It saves everyone. That's my point. I am done. Yes, some nurses love students and love seeing that bulb go off with the "aha moment" and others get behind and rather not have them. To each their own.
  9. Visit  RNsRWe} profile page
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    Quote from wish_me_luck
    It's your opinion and you are entitled to it RNsRWe. And I respect that. I just get irritated because there are multiple posts about frustration with students. If you do not want them, just say so. It saves everyone. That's my point. I am done. Yes, some nurses love students and love seeing that bulb go off with the "aha moment" and others get behind and rather not have them. To each their own.
    Can I just put a thought out there, something to think about before we part ways?

    When you find multiple posts concerning frustration with students, I'd like you to think about the possibility that the nurse(s) writing them have had some GREAT students. They've had some really terrific encounters with some really talented students, and that's why they persist with having students...because there are some real gems in the lot.

    But that doesn't mean they don't have some real clankers as well: the students who argue to try to make an impression (and they sure do, boy oh boy), the ones who make mistakes because they don't ask for help, who say they know how to do procedures they don't know how to do. And of course the ones who will just declare "that nurse hates students" when in actuality, that nurse LOVES students, she just can't stand YOU (not you, wish-me-luck, "you" as in "the student").

    I genuinely enjoy teaching students. But that doesn't mean there aren't days when I want to bang my head against a wall and wonder what the profession is coming to.

    Just something to think about.
    jelly221,RN, Nurse Leigh, Fiona59, and 8 others like this.
  10. Visit  grownuprosie} profile page
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    Quote from HalfMarathoner
    I have this weird nostalgia for student nursing and how, looking back, it all seems so easy.
    Please tell me that is how i will feel once i graduate!? I am dreaming of that day!
    NicholePC13 likes this.
  11. Visit  PetsToPeople} profile page
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    No, I understood it, I simply disagreed. It is possible to agree to disagree without clawing each others eyes out, we all have unique thoughts and personalities, which is what makes this site so very interesting at times.

    I never said you couldn't post, I said your post wasn't necessary, whereas you have pointed out that she is a student and you do not feel she should post on a thread where "the OP asked a question for nurses to answer"...

    And I still don't see anywhere where she said "it's all the nurses fault because we students are puurrrfect"
  12. Visit  RockinChick66} profile page
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    I've been a nurse for less than 5 years and love working with student nurses.
    However, this last week I had the worse student ever that had two of my patients.
    This student had two of my pts and didn't even go in and talk to or introduce
    herself to one of these patients.
    I found this student sitting around most the day. She would ask
    me occasionally if she could help me, but they were unable to do any med passes, so
    I encouraged this student to have some initiative and go into the pts room to ask the
    patient if there was anything they needed.

    It gripes me so bad to see students with no initiative. Please, just go into the pts
    rooms and empty urinals, pick up trays, offer snacks, talk with the patient, or
    feel free to follow me. Just do something other than asking me what you can do all day.
    ProfRN4, Fiona59, KelRN215, and 1 other like this.
  13. Visit  wooh} profile page
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    There's always the, "Remember you were a student too!" posts by students. Guess what, I've been a student AND a nurse. As have all the nurses here. How many students can say that?

    Quote from wish_me_luck
    So, we helped the nurses by doing some of their med passes.
    The fact that you don't realize that isn't exactly all that helpful, just shows your ignorance of the real world of nursing. So I skip the med pass. Even when I've got students with a good instructor, I'm still assessing my patient, making sure they have everything they need, and can't just do my thing of taking care of it all off the bat because I'm trying to let the student have their experience. Then if orders change, instead of just taking care of it, I have to make sure both an instructor who can be with any of her students and the student know about it. EVEN WITH A GOOD INSTRUCTOR AND A GOOD STUDENT.
    Sure, sometimes the techs are happy, since they can ignore a group of patients now, but even when you have a patient, that patient is ultimately MY responsibility, not yours, not your instructor's.

    Quote from RNsRWe
    My turn

    I have always enjoyed having students, some students definitely more than others. Which students have I liked the best? The ones who impress me with intelligent questions, ones that didn't pop out of their mouths not two minutes after I said something that would have preempted the answer, had they been listening. I love students who ask me to show them something they haven't seen, or explain why I did something they didn't understand. The ones that offer to help with or do a task that they DO know how to do, and are eager for the chance to reinforce what they've learned.
    Those I will go out of my way to make sure they get to be involved if anything "fun" happens. Although, I remember imagining in my head that changing a pleurevac would be more exciting than it was. Got some students. Got in the room, realized it was REALLY boring. Told them, "You can go to conference and say you got to see a tube unplugged, then plugged in again!" But I did try.... I mean, supposedly the students like me, apparently I'm super fun. I do let students do everything they're allowed by their school and my hospital to do (and sometimes even a bit more). But it's taking time away from my pee breaks. And instead of walking down the hall the rest of the day, I'm walking briskly and often staying late to catch up on things because students SLOW THINGS DOWN. It's not their fault. It's the nature of the beast. Realizing that though, will totally win a student brownie points, and make me want to give you a better experience. You come in thinking you're doing me a favor? Well, not going to be such a good experience that day.


    Quote from RADIATIONRN2BE
    I also believe that at some facilities it is very hard for the primary RN's to refuse students due to their facility being considered a "teaching hospital".
    There was a while we had students 7 days a week. Sometimes more than one school on the floor at a time. There was just NO BREAK where you could just do your job and go home. And no chairs were ever available, and the breakroom would be taken over by homework. Even when you like having students, it IS extra work. And when you never get a break from that extra work, guess what, it gets old!!!

    Quote from RNsRWe
    That the attitude of "we're helping you guys, you should be happy to see us" might have caused a resentment like I mentioned in my post?
    I was never helpful until I was in my senior practicum and could be trusted to be somewhat independent with some tasks. I was on "task heavy" sort of unit, so my preceptor could send me into a room for a couple hours to do something and not worry about me. Of course, until I got to that point, I was a huge albatross around her neck. So glad she didn't take me to the helipad one day and push me off the roof...

    Quote from RNsRWe
    And of course the ones who will just declare "that nurse hates students" when in actuality, that nurse LOVES students, she just can't stand YOU (not you, wish-me-luck, "you" as in "the student").

    I genuinely enjoy teaching students. But that doesn't mean there aren't days when I want to bang my head against a wall and wonder what the profession is coming to.

    Just something to think about.
    Brava!!!
    Last edit by wooh on Apr 2, '12
    jelly221,RN, ProfRN4, Nurse Leigh, and 7 others like this.
  14. Visit  Merlyn} profile page
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    Quote from musickx2
    How do you feel about working with a student nurse? How comfortable are you with the student nurse basically taking over your patients and paper work while you observe? If you are not comfortable with the student taking your patient load what do you like your student nurse to do while assigned to you and your patients.
    I want him/her to do everything. That is the only way they will learn.
    Fiona59 likes this.


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