Survey: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortag - page 5

This month's survey Question: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortage? Please take a minute to take answer our survey and please feel free to reply to... Read More

  1. Visit  psycho profile page
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    :hatparty: Are there country's without a nurising shortage?
  2. Visit  scoobydoo profile page
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    I am a UK nurse who has just emigrated to Australia. I worked in the UK with some of the most fantastic filipino nurses who where specifically sought by the hospital to solve the nursing shortage there. BUT I do feel that incentives to entice nurses back into the profession would have been a better long term solution.

    The ward I worked on gave me school hours to keep me when my child started school...fantastic...but I was only one of a couple of nurses in the hospital who was lucky enough to get that.

    Now I'm in oz. And having difficulty getting work to fit in with family life! I have years of experience and am a hard worker....looks like Australia has encouraged me over for my skills but will lose out as I'll end up working in the local supermarket!

    I reckon family friendly hours and flexibility for all is more inportant than wages.
  3. Visit  fourevern4alwayz profile page
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    [QUOTE=brian]This month's survey Question:

    Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortage?

    Where I work, there are a lot of conflicts between a majority of the workers because most of the nursing staff are Phillipinos and it creates tension in the workplace b/c there is favoritism when there is a Phillipino supervisor at night, they all get to slack off and stand around b.s.'n in their own language, and when someone brought these problems up to the supervisor, they acted as if they were offended, but then what did they continue doing???? No not all of them are acting this way, but 98% are, and God forbid anyone says anything about it. It wouldn't bother me so much if they would just stop ignoring the rules of our facility and be more professional and work more. :uhoh21:
  4. Visit  Tweety profile page
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    Quote from nursesarah
    canadian nursing students (at least, at the university i go to, McMaster) are better trained than students in the states.

    This to me sounds more like flattery to get you down here, rather than truth. Remember talking to a nurse recuiter is like talking to a used car salesmen.

    They don't want you because your better trained. They want a warm body with an RN license that can pass NCLEX, but they do usually prefer BSN trained.

    I'm not saying Canadians nurses don't have a better more quality education, that may be true. But that's another thread.
  5. Visit  Rep profile page
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    Quote from talaxandra
    The other aspect is that the nursing shortage doesn't just affect the West - offering incentives to nurses from second- and third-world countries does a grave disservice to the countries that invested money in training them, leaving them short. Using overseas recruitment to patch up the nursing shortage is a short-term solution to a long-standing, long-term problem. It's typical of government policy in general - rather than addressing long-range plans that will cost money and not necessarily pay off while they're in office, politicians and CEOs look at the next election, annual bonus or shareholders meeting.

    Here in the Philippines, the government is not spending any single cent for our nursing education!
  6. Visit  Rep profile page
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    Quote from lizz
    I could be wrong, but I believe there are new English proficiency requirements to potentially remedy that problem?

    (P.S. Where's suzanne4? She would know. )

    Yes, we foreign nurses have to take different English exams. These Engish exams, Toefl, TSE and IELTS test our ability to think, speak and write American English. We need to pass these exams so that CGFNS/ICHP can give us the Visa screen Certificate. The Visa Screen is a federal requirement before they they can give us an immigrant visa. The Visa screen is composed of CGFNS/NCLEX, toefl, tse or ielts.

    By the way, foreign nurses are not taking away your jobs . It is the kind of corporate health system you have that gives us the jobs!
    Last edit by Rep on Jun 2, '04
  7. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    I have a current US license to work as a RN, and I will never give that up.
    Yet, I chose to live and work in Thailand. Sure in the field of medicine and nursing, but right now not at the bedside. So all of my hours are available.

    And to the nurse in another post that was complaining about foreign nurses coming and working 80 hours per week and not leaving any hours for other nurses. Get real!!! If there were other nurses to work those hours, do you think that the hospital would be paying the overtime???? Hospitals are watching out for their bottom line. Also show me how many Americans would even consider working those hours on a regular basis, or flip-flop shifts back and forth like they do over here. All of you would resign..................And how many of you turn down night shifts when they get offered at the last moment? But the foreign nurse will pick them up right away, and you want to penalize him or her? You really need to open your eyes that there is a much bigger world out there than just the US and what you personally need or want. Do you even have a passport and have you ever travelled overseas?
    I doubt it..............................
  8. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    Quote from Rep
    Yes, we foreign nurses have to take different English exams. These Engish exams, Toefl, TSE and IELTS test our ability to think, speak and write American English. We need to pass these exams so that CGFNS/ICHP can give us the Visa screen Certificate. The Visa Screen is a federal requirement before they they can give us an immigrant visa. The Visa screen is composed of CGFNS/NCLEX, toefl, tse or ielts.

    By the way, foreign nurses are not taking away your jobs . It is the kind of corporate health system you have that gives us the jobs!
    Nurses that are currently in the US on H1-B visas are not having them renewed. The only thing available to them is the green card, and even if the temporary work permit was to become available, it now has the same requirements as the green card. Meaning that the foreign nurse must have the same speaking skills as a native-born speaker. And guess what, many of them have developed better speaking skills than some Americans. This is required for them to work in the US, unless they happen to marry an American and get around the rule. But then it is the responsibility of the hospital that hired them. I would put the skills of my students up against many Americans and I am sure that they would come out ahead.
  9. Visit  Sheri257 profile page
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    I see a contradiction here. Everybody is always complaining that they are overworked and need more help ...

    Yet, 80 percent of the people here say don't hire foreign nurses which, obviously, would help ...

    Then you hear the standard: "If you improved working conditions people would return to the job ..." line.

    But, wouldn't hiring foreign nurses also improve working conditions, i.e. ratios?

  10. Visit  CCU NRS profile page
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    Quote from lizz
    I see a contradiction here. Everybody is always complaining that they are overworked and need more help ...

    Yet, 80 percent of the people here say don't hire foreign nurses which, obviously, would help ...

    Then you hear the standard: "If you improved working conditions people would return to the job ..." line.

    But, wouldn't hiring foreign nurses also improve working conditions, i.e. ratios?

    You know I really am torn on this issue as well. I did vote no on the survey, and here are my reasons. I think english is my main concern. I know that these nurses are intelligent and can often speak more than one language but they are difficult to understand and in this profession if your Pt can not understand you they are not recieving proper care, if they are too polite or embarrassed or whatever to have a nurse keep repeating themselves they will eventually go without care for lack of understanding, I know I can not understand them most of the time but I am not hesitant to have them repeat themselves.

    I did a change of shift introduction last week with a new nurse from India and the Pt just kept saying what, huh? what? when she spoke to him. With elderly people being predisposed by War, education, and upbringing to be predjudice it is awful when they feel they won't even recieve good care or can not understand their nurse.
  11. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    What type of visa was that nurse on? If it was a green card and her own, then her English skills must be the same as a native speaker. And many Indian nurses have that problem. If she got a visa to work due to a husband then she is not required to have the English testing. I am sure that this is going to change. If she got in under one of the last H1-B visas, then she was only required to pass TOEFL. The new laws go into effect next month.
  12. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    I am an American nurse, and I loved it when I was working in the US. Did it for over 25 years and during the time that I was going to school. But now I prefer living over on this side of the world. I definitely didn't leave healthcare, just approaching it differently. And making a difference in someone's life. Isn't that the most important thing?
  13. Visit  Sheri257 profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    The new laws go into effect next month.
    As always, thanks suzanne. I did not know that the new requirements hadn't gone into effect yet. That certainly explains all of these posts where people have been complaining about English proficiency.

    Hopefully, the new laws will help address that problem. Question: Do you know if the marriage exemption that you previously mentioned would also apply under these new laws?

    :spin:
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 2, '04


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