Socialized Medicine: The Argument to Support moving forward - page 3

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Many people have a misunderstanding that if the government funds health care then THEY control our health care - a concept which in all reality is impossible. What they do provide is funding for hospitals and any facility that... Read More


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    So people think that socialized medicine is free? Who do you think pays for it? Where do you think the money comes from? TAXES....and people think that its so economical? What has changed? Surely not just because government runs it....Governments are totally inept when it comes to taking control of things....that's why they are always carrying a deficit....because all they do is spend spend spend.....without regard to costs....now if they decide to control costs and you were a doctor would you want them telling you can't earn more than a certain amount?

    The whole idea of capitalism is freedom of choice....does socialized medicine follow that tenet? Not on your life....next time you feel your getting freedom of choice under socialilzed medicine ask yourself one question....."Whose paying for the coverage I'm getting for nothing.....sorry folks there are no free lunches....
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    ok folks, has anyone read the bill proposed?

    let’s remember that if hr3200 is passed the government will be acting as the insurance companies, shifting the power from private companies to the government. limiting and dictating the care we are to get, and not starting out with something that is proven to work for a certain aliment, starting with something that may work (and costs alot less)

    and the question here is not "do we want healthcare for everyone?" because yes we all do! the question is do you support the proposed bill hr3200, please look for yourself... www.thomas.gov i know it is alot to read and take in, but make a informed descision for yourself!

    what this bill proposes, is that all people must have adequate health coverage, and those who still can not afford it, or those who prefer homeopathic care will be fined with an excise tax- sec207 of the hr3200 (homeopathic care is defined as the care of the whole person, not just the symptoms) also taxing employers for not providing adequate health coverage to employees, and at the same time a few large top companies referred to as being exempt from providing adequate health care to employees. that is reason to ask questions!

    hr3200 also proposed that we re-define the term "health care plan" for those 65 years of age and older, to include "end of life care", for anyone 65 or over, healthy or not.

    the "free health care" that as some has perceived will not be across the board, it is proposed in hr3200 that health care and the cost of adequate coverage will be determined by demographics... that means that where i live, health care and adequate coverage could be "free and top of the line care", but where you live, health care and adequate coverage could cost more and the care could be less that acceptable. in this case, would you move to a "better demographical area" to ensure the care of you and your family? is that fair? here is reason to ask questions!

    also, doctors and nurses as well as all health care workers will be demographically dispersed throughout the country, to where the need is, and be "asked" to accept payment rates, and schedules set by the government.

    today in society where the doctors get kick backs from prescribing certain medications to patients, and when a patient comes in with a certain symptom, the treatment is usually for the symptom, not to find the cause of the symptom... because we have so many drugs for all of the symptoms, and prescribing medications is far more profitable than healing. do you think that would change? especially since the pharmaceutical companies are giving large amounts of money "to promote the health care bill hr3200"

    i am for health care for everyone, but i do not support the health care bill hr3200! there are some good ideas and proposals made by the bill hr3200, but in all, it will be limiting our freedom! and freedom is what america is all about, and what our fore fathers fought for. are we taking this for granted?

    and in case anyone dosen't already know... the health care bill is in 2 parts, the 1st of which was already passed with hr1 the american recovery and reinvestment act of 2009... look it up. did anyone know that was in there? so when i see americans going to these town hall meetings and standing up for themselves, their family and thier neighbors, i am hopefull that our great country will continue to stand for freedom!

    i would rather everyone be healthy with less nurses needed, than have a job, even though i love being a nurse, and that is how i make a living.

    i propose that everyones goal should be- truth, love and healing!
    Last edit by NurseForChange on Aug 25, '09 : Reason: spelling
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    I don't know where Americans get the crazy idea that Universal Health Care takes away choices. The previous poster sounds like Chicken Little.The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!
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    Why do you think you will have less choice? I dont understand you dont get an awful lot of choice now depending on your insurance and who they say you can go see. They do dictate who is in house and who is not. Then you have large co-pays depending on your choice-last year I had surgery then I got a bill from the anaethesist for $900 as he was not covered by my insurance-I was annoyed that the hospital didnt let me know this, as the bill was a shock.
    How many would think to check if the anaethesist was in house just as he was about to put you under??
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    I have low co-pays and am very happy with my insurance. For a recent surgery this year I paid $125 to the hospital which covered everything; surgery, anesthesia, and an overnight in the hospital. I did have a $15 copay at the surgeon's office prior to surgery but that also covered the followup visit 10 days later.
    However, I did have to change primary MD with this insurance as my old Dr decided to opt out due to low reimbursements by my plan. A public option which competes with private insurance and pays at Medicare rates would encourage private insurance to decrease their reimbursements as well just so they could stay competitive. As docs opt out of low paying plans, choices decrease. It's just economics.
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    no, universal health care doesnít take away choices. current health care insurance does dictate treatment, limit choice, and is high priced, and i am not satisfied.

    however, the proposed bill hr3200 dose take away choices, rights, and freedoms. have you read any of the proposed bill? do you confuse universal health care and the actual bill hr3200 which is actually proposed?

    if you support hr3200, because it's title is america's affordable health choices act of 2009, or someone states that this is universal health care with the answers to our problems, without being informed of what is actually written in the bill, without reading it for yourself, my heart goes out to you!
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    Quote from madwife2002
    Why do you think you will have less choice? I dont understand you dont get an awful lot of choice now depending on your insurance and who they say you can go see. They do dictate who is in house and who is not. Then you have large co-pays depending on your choice-last year I had surgery then I got a bill from the anaethesist for $900 as he was not covered by my insurance-I was annoyed that the hospital didnt let me know this, as the bill was a shock.
    How many would think to check if the anaethesist was in house just as he was about to put you under??

    I do, every time my health care policy changes I ask for what is covered and not cover service. You call customer service and check my policy is . It is your responsiblity to know what is a covered service and what is not a covered service.

    If I had a large co pay I would put a large amount away each month in my health savings account, like this year I knew I was going to have a large dental bill.


    I deal with Medicare and Medcaid, they have all the rules and they keep changing. For example now they are auditing an planning on taking money back for services rendered in 2005.

    http://www.cms.hhs.gov/RAC/


    My communications with Medicare or Medcaid have been less than pleasant, what have your experiences been?

    Also dealing with the VA is not easy....... AS a casemanager, I have asked parents with disable children why they pay a large premium each month when their child has medicare and medicaid. I was told to get a simple thing like a wheelchair took months to get approved while the insurance company it was one phone call.
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    For me, If health care is a right it should go through an amendment to the constitution where all 50 states would agree. Not a partisan vote.

    I do not have faith that the US Government can do healthcare any cheaper or more efficiently. I also feel the government has not right to set policies regarding what is a covered service or not.

    My state has mandated healthcare for all and the state is bankrupt. Lower income people are forced to purchase health care or pay a hefty fine. I envision this is what is would be like nationally.

    It seems like socialized medicine works well in some countries, but then I wonder why people want to come to the USA? Is it for a better way of life ? With 1/6 th of economy tied to government I wonder how America will be?
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    don't kid yourself. You pay on the FRONT end with extra taxes. Also, where do you think hospitals will cut budgets? Staffing.
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    I am appalled by people who really think corporate world/Wall Street running their healthcare system is called FREEDOM!!!.... I used to work as an investor.....I lost my job at WALLSTREET because of WALLSTREET..... Instead of me listing down all the wrong things/decisions wall street has made for the Great Nation of America.. I will everybody name them inside their heart.....e.g Where's the housin market?
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