Socialized Medicine: The Argument to Support moving forward - page 2

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Many people have a misunderstanding that if the government funds health care then THEY control our health care - a concept which in all reality is impossible. What they do provide is funding for hospitals and any facility that... Read More


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    Here is my scenario, Breast Cancer pre menopausal, in the UK a mammogram would not be required until age 52

    http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/de....asp?page=3303

    Patient would have to prove a need for the mammogram, then would get the treatment recommended by the government.Patient would be offered a lumpectomy and radiation( and maybe standard chemo) through the cancer treatment team. No option to go another center for a second opinion.

    UK breast Cancer survival rate lower than the USA. Cost is Zero.....life expectancy is ????


    United States, Normal HMO, get mammogram, large invasive tumor found. First opinion suggests a lumpectomy, goes for second opinion a large cancer center. Opportunity to go out of state for third opinion if desired. Mastectomy with immediate reconstruction done ( reconstruction is not done at time of initial surgery) Tumor was too large. Aggressive non fomulary chemotherapy given.

    Fast Forward- GYN recommends genetic testing ( not covered in UK) tests positive for BRCA - which is high rate for ovarian cancer. Patient is cancer free.


    Cost - $50 for some prescriptions.


    For my own selfish reason I prefer when fighting a life threatening disease that I would have options not the state telling my doctor what they can do for me.
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    Socialize Medicine - from American's view point. My daughter sprained her ankle in Australia, she was refused to be seen in the emergency room in Melbourne. She had to purchase and fit her own crutches (which she did not do correctly).

    I paid the mandatory Australian Health fee which was over $500. I also had a letter from my insurance that they would cover care world wide. My daughter also had a credit card which had over 10K. She offered to pay cashe.Yet she was not treated and sent away never with an evaluation done by a health care professional.

    The damage was her ankle was so bad she couldn't walk on it. She went to an orthopod who referred her to an ankle specialist. I was told that her ankle had the worst damage this doctor had seen short of an impact fracture. It took months for her the heal from the surgery and her ankle will never be the same. Thanks to socialized medicine.


    So I am a bit shaded when it comes to socialized medicine.

    My last question is if socialized medicine is so wonderful why do nurses from the UK and Australia wish to come to the USA?
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    Quote from MedSurg32RN
    Here is my scenario, Breast Cancer pre menopausal, in the UK a mammogram would not be required until age 52

    http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/de....asp?page=3303

    Patient would have to prove a need for the mammogram, then would get the treatment recommended by the government.Patient would be offered a lumpectomy and radiation( and maybe standard chemo) through the cancer treatment team. No option to go another center for a second opinion.

    UK breast Cancer survival rate lower than the USA. Cost is Zero.....life expectancy is ????


    United States, Normal HMO, get mammogram, large invasive tumor found. First opinion suggests a lumpectomy, goes for second opinion a large cancer center. Opportunity to go out of state for third opinion if desired. Mastectomy with immediate reconstruction done ( reconstruction is not done at time of initial surgery) Tumor was too large. Aggressive non fomulary chemotherapy given.

    Fast Forward- GYN recommends genetic testing ( not covered in UK) tests positive for BRCA - which is high rate for ovarian cancer. Patient is cancer free.


    Cost - $50 for some prescriptions.


    For my own selfish reason I prefer when fighting a life threatening disease that I would have options not the state telling my doctor what they can do for me.
    That is an excellent outcome but hardly the one that women who delays receiving treatment because they have no insurance or are under insured experience. What about the woman who starts treatment and then loses her job, thus insurance,(I know several people this has happened to) because she is missing so much work. Even if she can scrape together the huge payments to carry COBRA that eventually runs out also. What about the woman who has someone in the family with BRCA and insurance company finds out about it and denies coverage? If you received the finest treatment I am glad but think about you fellow human beings that don't have that opportunity? Insurance companies do horrible things to people everyday that people never even dream of in countries with socialized medicine.
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    Quote from oramar
    That is an excellent outcome but hardly the one that women who delays receiving treatment because they have no insurance or are under insured experience. What about the woman who starts treatment and then loses her job, thus insurance,(I know several people this has happened to) because she is missing so much work. Even if she can scrape together the huge payments to carry COBRA that eventually runs out also. What about the woman who has someone in the family with BRCA and insurance company finds out about it and denies coverage? If you received the finest treatment I am glad but think about you fellow human beings that don't have that opportunity? Insurance companies do horrible things to people everyday that people never even dream of in countries with socialized medicine.
    Great points, in my home state Breast Cancer is covered by the DPH, when I checked my home state I see that other states have similar programs. As far as the BRCA I know for a fact they offer free services.


    In my state where 97% are insured why should my benefits suffer because 3 percent choose not to sign up?
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    Quote from MedSurg32RN;

    My last question is if socialized medicine is so wonderful why do nurses from the UK and Australia wish to come to the USA?[/quote

    Good question but off topic which would take a whole thread to discuss and answer.

    Briefly Nursing enables nurses to change countries I dont think it is nursing they come to America for, a lot of UK people want to come to live in America because it is their dream, so if you are a nurse then it is a bonus
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    I am Canadian. I thank god every day for the system we have. My daughter was born weighing 1 1/2 lbs. She was in the hospital for 15 weeks and had two years of follow up care. Cost to me = $0. Treatment and anything they needed to do to save her life was never questioned or dictated by anyone.

    The last time I went to the ER I was out of there in 40 minutes.
    I asked my doctor for a mammogram at the age of 40 and I got one no questions asked.
    I am diabetic and I get free eye care, foot care, free diabetic counselling, I was given a free glucose meter and my drugs are mostly covered by my provincial plan.
    I never have to worry about losing my home if i am in a car accident or get sick. No one decides my care except me and my doctor. I needed to see a specialist one time and got an appointment within 3 days. All tests were free as was my treatment and I got to pick which specilalist.
    I am amazed that people who live in the USA insist they know more about my system than I do.
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    Madwife,

    I respect you bringing this topic up. Perhaps you can set straight some information which maybe disinformation.

    Is this true?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1050197.ece That NHS is the world's third largest employer ?

    Are you suggesting that government run health care is more efficient. If it was so wonderful why did you leave?

    I agree 100% that health care needs to be changed. In my state health care is mandatory, there are no people denied if they have a pre existing conditions. It is affordable between $150 to $250 a month. There are rules which the insurance companies follow.
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    Quote from MedSurg32RN
    Madwife,

    I respect you bringing this topic up. Perhaps you can set straight some information which maybe disinformation.

    Is this true?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1050197.ece That NHS is the world's third largest employer ?

    Are you suggesting that government run health care is more efficient. If it was so wonderful why did you leave?

    I agree 100% that health care needs to be changed. In my state health care is mandatory, there are no people denied if they have a pre existing conditions. It is affordable between $150 to $250 a month. There are rules which the insurance companies follow.

    I dont think my reasons for leaving the UK have anything to do with the thread but for the record I did not come to the US to be a nurse I came to the US because I wanted to live here, Nursing is my job.
    I care about the healthcare of this country, this thread is a debate and I am not claiming I know everything about socialised medicine here in the US what I am saying is we need to look after our working class who are the ones who are effected more by medical bills.

    I really dont understand what your point is about the NHS can you elaborate your point-the article is 5 yrs old can you find something more current
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    Quote from madwife2002
    Good question but off topic which would take a whole thread to discuss and answer.

    Briefly Nursing enables nurses to change countries I dont think it is nursing they come to America for, a lot of UK people want to come to live in America because it is their dream, so if you are a nurse then it is a bonus
    So as I understand it nursing in America had nothing to do with coming here. The times I have visited the UK I always thought it was a beautiful country and had lots of opportunity. I am glad people are able to follow their dream.
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    "Mr Reid said that the “snapshot” census figures exploded the myth that everyone working in the NHS was a bureaucrat, with 84 per cent of NHS staff directly involved in patient care and managers only making up 3 per cent of the total workforce"
    This is from the UK.

    I wish it were the case here. If we eliminated all of the customer service representatives, case managers and other pencil pushers needed to simply navigate our healthcare system here, how much would be left for patient care? I'll bet it would beat the system as we have it now!
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