Socialized Medicine: The Argument to Support Moving Forward

Many people have a misunderstanding that if the government funds health care then THEY control our health care - a concept which in all reality is impossible. What they do provide is funding for hospitals and any facility that delivers health care. It's up to the facilities to decide how to spend the funds allocated to them. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

They will run things as they do now except they would have a lot more input and would not be controlled by the insurance companies as they are today.

There would be a department within the Government whose main task would be to establish performance-improving strategies for the hospitals and a timeline for them to be met. Guidelines would be implemented for hospitals to follow and protocols would be initiated by the hospital itself to help them achieve the goals set out by the government. The aim being that care will be standardized across the country. This meaning that hospitals who provide substandard care now will be expected to improve their standards of care in the future. Of course, this would not be achieved quickly nor would it happen overnight, and yes it would cost money, but in the long run, it would be cost effective. The main aim is to improve the quality of care to the patient and at the same time establishing across the board initiatives which all hospitals would need to follow in order to ensure all hospitals are providing the same standard and quality of care. Independent companies would be established to govern the government for example in the UK they have an independent company known as NICE,

Quote
"NICE is an independent organization responsible for providing national guidance on promoting good health and preventing and treating"

More emphasis would be made on care in the community, focusing on keeping the chronically ill out of the hospital and in their own homes. Health education would play a major role focusing on prevention rather than cure. For example, some of our expensive hospital beds are often taken up with the chronically ill which could well have been managed in their own home, freeing up valuable nursing time which can now be spent with the acutely ill. Opening up more opportunities for nurses to develop their skills and utilize their education for something other than carrying out orders from Doctors

NICE | The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence

Diabetes can be effectively managed in the home with a team of skilled health professionals, accessing the hospitals for major illnesses rather than glucose control. Nurses could play a major role with diabetics in the community, after all, a large part of our formal nursing education focuses on health education, which a lot of us struggle to find time to implement in the hospital environment

Patients will be more compliant with their medication because it is now affordable. They would not be worrying shall I pay the bills or shall I pay for my medication. This would mean Asthmatics, Diabetics, COPDers wouldn't be having the same crisis situations finding themselves in hospital costing a fortune.

Of course, there will always be non-compliant patients, this group will never change easily, but my question is would we see a reduction in non-compliant patients if we made medication affordable. If we had no co-pays for hospital, tests, procedures, scans or doctors visits? My guess is yes we would see a reduction because some of those non-compliant patients are in this situation through no fault of their own but because of financial constraints either due to a poorly paid job or their pension doesn't quite cover everything they need.

Health professionals could more readily access the schools, youth groups with a lot more health education, again focusing on prevention rather than cure. "Catch em, Young".

I am sure you will be saying to yourself we have all this anyway yes but it would be "free" to establishments affording them to spend their funds elsewhere within the education system but at the same time ensuring we start our children's knowledge of a healthy lifestyle off earlier.

Everybody could afford to be pregnant and access high-quality pregnancy care. It would not only be the rich who are able to afford expensive pre-natal care, classes and education it would be available to all without further cost. Pregnancy care is an ideal opportunity for health care professionals to discuss dental care, diet, smoking cessation, birth control, pap smears the list is endless of what you could provide in health education to the younger generation which they can take through life. This population has probably had not much in the way of health care since their teenage years so are ripe for further education, again focusing on prevention rather than cure.

Of course, we all have heard the horror stories of the NHS there are plenty of them, there are more of the negative kind than the positive kind mainly because we focus in on the negative more readily. The Media are only too happy to report stories which involve sensationalism and negative press than to focus in on the 'nice' stories because 'nice' stories don't sell newspapers. Have you always noticed how bad press is always top of the news whereas the nicer stories are thrown In at the end?

The UK is one small country, whereas the 50 states of America are almost like 50 countries so if we took all the negative press in one day from each of the states of America it would be interesting to see/read how many horror stories we would find from the current medical health care system in the USA. Then we could compare the horror stories to the ones reported from the UK then correlate the figures to establish which country offers greater health care and what cost.

Remember the people who pay insurance here in America it will not cost you any more money unless you choose to take out private health insurance. The difference is it will not cost you one cent more unlike now where there are numerous co-pays for anything you access.

Think about it NO co-pays for:

  • Doctors Visits
  • Blood Draws/lab work
  • Mammograms
  • Pap smears
  • Children's immunizations and check-ups
  • Emergency room visits
  • OT
  • PT
  • Speech and language therapy

The list is endless.

Specializes in Pediatrics.
:twocents: I believe I can speak with experience that this will not work!!!!! My husband is active duty military and our health care comes from the government (Tricare). You do not get seen when you need to be seen: For example yesterday I called to have my daughter be seen for an ear infection it was 8/26, They can not see her for a simple ear infection till 9/1. Im sorry that is not good health care system. If socialized health care comes to the US there will be waiting lists for simple care and the ones who need something like hip, knee or joint replacements will be waiting for years.

Socialized medicine does not work!!!!!!

I was active duty for 6 years and I had and we provided awesome care. We would see dependants and retires that day if they were sick. Obviously you didn't talk to the right people. The triage nurse should of taken your daughter in that day. Maybe husbands duty station is overwhelmed can you not find a pedi dr off base that takes tricare??

I am an American Citizen; almost all of my family and those I love are living in the USA.

I plan to return to the USA within 4-5 years; my life in the Philippines is temporary and I have only been here for two years. So please; stop treating me like I am completely insensitive and out of touch with what is going on in the USA.

I have had multiple very bad incidents with US healthcare as it stand now, I know how bad and how long the consequences of that bad care has been. Incidents with myself, my family and those I've had to help through humanitarian resources.

I'm not talking about those who have spent money like water. I'm talking about average families with average incomes and normal spending habits being knocked out of financial stability from a single hospital stay.

I have hundreds of stories...

One that burns in my mind is a man who worked for a Fortune 500 company as a data analyst. His company provided him "platinum level" insurance.

While traveling in another state, he was involved in an accident which damaged his eyes and left his right hand shattered. As a result he could no longer perform his job.

The "platinum" healthcare insurance he had refused to care for more than half of his treatments as they considered reconstructive surgury on his hand and wrist to be "elective" and they considered his eyes to be sufficient for work even though he is now severely limited.

There were treatments he could have recieved to preserve portions of his sight but the insurance company denied him.

Within 3 years of this event he and his family were completely bankrupt, he and his wife both working full time to support themselves and children, although he is stuck at a minimum wage job.

His insurance's lack of coverage is directly responsible for his condition, they charged the highest rates for his co-pay and refused to cover many necissary procedures because he was in another state or because an attending doctor was not "in network."

Had he been in a situation involving socialized healthcare then he would have gotten the treatments he needed at a minimal out of pocket expense and even if he'd still lost his sight, he would have at least had the chance to have procedures that were denied to him under the current system.

Unfortunately the best that our resources were able to do was to connect him with an optical surgeon to partially restore sight in one eye and get him a better job and some start-up money.

So society still pays the burden of our broken and shattered healthcare system because humanitarian aid organizations (donations given by Americans) have to divert funding to helping heal households damaged by the greed machines that run health insurance.

Half of the amount of money spent by NGOs annually could be used by the US Government to facilitate socialized healthcare... so the American taxpayers are already paying the burden; just through other avenues.

That's what you don't see.. what you can't see because only the NGOs really get to see these figures.

Sounds like your friend had no one to advocate for him the commission for the blind is very active and tons of benefits.

Also where I have worked alway had a policy for disabilities, why would they not pick on on these.

Most insurance companies are non profit, the other big three United, Aetna, and tenet pay for uncompensated care, and what are NGOs?

Wait, you don't take stock in the World Health Organization?

That's such a bizzare thing to say on so many levels.

NY Times, okay fine.. you like Fox News and want to take that avenue.. but to deny research and statistics from a global organization is just surreal.

Let me ask you a question then; what data do you use to determine that the USA has the best healthcare available and that there is no need to change?

I do not like the NY Times since they posted my credit card information and a sibling has worked for Who for decades.

Cancer survival rates, eliminating diseases, new pharmacology, and new medical devices make the USA great.

I think saying they are "filled with horror stories" is a bit sensationalistic.

Where did you get the idea that the government here in the Philippines takes care of healtcare?

You are sorely mistaken.. there is no socialized healthcare here.

There are government-run clinics where the fee for care is not as much a private-run hospitals but the only way you can get any care is cash up front.

I think it is the decades of American influence that created this system.

My question is change the healthcare where you are living, not where you are not living. Cash up front - change your country first before trying to change the USA.

Sounds like your friend had no one to advocate for him the commission for the blind is very active and tons of benefits.

Also where I have worked alway had a policy for disabilities, why would they not pick on on these.

Most insurance companies are non profit, the other big three United, Aetna, and tenet pay for uncompensated care, and what are NGOs?

He wasn't my friend, he was a guy my organization had to help when the system failed him.

He did not qualify as blind because he could technically see with heavy corrective lenses, but for some reason it hindered his ability to do his job and he was let go with the next round of layoffs.

The paper work was done cleverly. Big companies know how to fire people and sidestep things so they don't have to payout. Since he was not injured on the job they didn't have to take his disability into consideration for lots of things.

NGO stands for Non-Government Organization. It's a standard acronym used to refer to non-profit organizations with humanitarian goals.

My question is change the healthcare where you are living, not where you are not living. Cash up front - change your country first before trying to change the USA.

MY COUNTRY IS THE USA!!!!!

I am an American!

Native born and lived there for 30+ years and now I live for 2 years in another country

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
My question is change the healthcare where you are living, not where you are not living. Cash up front - change your country first before trying to change the USA.

The poster is an American who is living abroad at the moment

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

Ok please do not make this personnal I really do not want to close down this debate. Keep issues current and make suggestions valid regarding main topic

Thank you

Specializes in ICU, ER, RESEARCH, REHAB, HOME HEALTH, QUALITY.

I think the insurance companies are putting the scare in the public because they know they will not longer be in control of what is going on in health care and thats a good thing and they are not going to make millions $ off the public- they are making people feel they are really going to be losing something..

I have a job and have 500 deductiable. and have had to have a few test done for a back injury...

they won;t pay the chiropractor

I couldn;t get PT

ended up getting an MRI it was $1300, I asked the technician why was the test so much , they haven;t paid for that machine yet? that doesn't even cover what the dr. charges to read it.. how crazy is that.. yeah some reform is needed..

I notice the debate is always from a consumer point of view instead of what the providers actually see,

1. test not authorized

2. seeing the uninsured

3. pts using the ER as a free clinic

4. doctors not in control treatments..

reform is needed and why are we calling it socialized medicine?

Every nurse knows that the health care system needs desperate reform.. lets see through the smoke screen and really look at who is causing the friction,

He wasn't my friend, he was a guy my organization had to help when the system failed him.

He did not qualify as blind because he could technically see with heavy corrective lenses, but for some reason it hindered his ability to do his job and he was let go with the next round of layoffs.

Your organization should have been sued by the ADA, this is not a health care issue but an employment issue,.

The paper work was done cleverly. Big companies know how to fire people and sidestep things so they don't have to payout. Since he was not injured on the job they didn't have to take his disability into consideration for lots of things.

Yes, and there are many lawyers who would have defended this person for free, I don't know why your organization did not put him in contact with a lawyer.

NGO stands for Non-Government Organization. It's a standard acronym used to refer to non-profit organizations with humanitarian goals.

All non profits have to report to the public, if you go to Guide Star you can see their tax return Sounds like your past organization needs professionals ( I don't believe you have stated you are a social worker or nurse) . A great social worker would have been able to correct .

For this discussion we should stick to issues which is health care reform and how it will effect nurses.

Perhaps your wife could post about her nursing experiences in her country and how it stacks up to the US.

I think the insurance companies are putting the scare in the public because they know they will not longer be in control of what is going on in health care and thats a good thing and they are not going to make millions $ off the public- they are making people feel they are really going to be losing something..

I have a job and have 500 deductiable. and have had to have a few test done for a back injury...

they won;t pay the chiropractor

I couldn;t get PT

ended up getting an MRI it was $1300, I asked the technician why was the test so much , they haven;t paid for that machine yet? that doesn't even cover what the dr. charges to read it.. how crazy is that.. yeah some reform is needed..

I notice the debate is always from a consumer point of view instead of what the providers actually see,

1. test not authorized

2. seeing the uninsured

3. pts using the ER as a free clinic

4. doctors not in control treatments..

reform is needed and why are we calling it socialized medicine?

Every nurse knows that the health care system needs desperate reform.. lets see through the smoke screen and really look at who is causing the friction,

Do you know that your treatment plan would not be paid by Medicaid or Medicare , medicare only covers 80%.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
Do you know that your treatment plan would not be paid by Medicaid or Medicare , medicare only covers 80%.

https://allnurses.com/social-health-care/californias-real-death-420743.html