Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ??

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I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been shot...No word on condition...I hope they are not seriously wounded.

My prayers are with them.

I have a male in my program who has had similar marriage/divorce, financial problems as Mr. Flores did.

Jake, not his real name is around 40, funny, a joy to be around and he has magnificent coping skills.. He was almost forced to quit school to work more hours because an ex-wife raised the child support and he faced time in jail. He did not quit, he took out a loan to help pay for the increased expenses and he still struggles with problems from the ex. Oh sure he has days when he wants to throw in the towel but we encourage him to stick with it. He actually adds so much to our program and our lives and the instructors don't treat him any differently.

Oh and he also came out of the closet after his last marriage and works on the side as a Drag Queen.

I wonder if Mr. Flores had received support from family and friends if things would be different. Someone mentioned today that he did actually seek support/counseling from his school back in April, and he may have fallen through the cracks.

I posted a couple of days earlier, expecting to be slammed. I wasn't and now I hear people saying the same things I feel.

Roland - yes, I certainly believe part of nursing school is to prepare for a servile role. I'm sure there is garbage in all of academia, but I had a degree before I went for nursing and what I found in nursing school was completely different from anything I saw before. When I went for my MSN the only places I would feel safe/comfortable, not worry about getting in trouble because I might sound too smart, were two classes I took at the College of Public Health.

I wish there was a way to define and study such issues. I think it is important - how can someone feel primary responibility to their professional licenses (and therefore patients) if they are also expected to behave in a servile manner towards others with dfferent priorities?

It is a dilemma.

Murder is wrong. But there is an increased incidence when there is a rage producing situation. With a reduction in rage, I think one would see a reduction in murder. Rage is an emotion - but, there are frequenly events in the environment that trigger it in susceptible individuals, I think the same events that can trigger depression in those who are susceptible. Those who do not have backgrounds that lead to rage or depressed responses are also impacted by these types of triggers: with frustration, anger, denial or escape.

While we can work on identifying those who are susceptible or deal with the aftermath when these become full blown, as nurses, could we try to work on the environmental triggers as well?

I posted a couple of days earlier, expecting to be slammed. I wasn't and now I hear people saying the same things I feel.

Roland - yes, I certainly believe part of nursing school is to prepare for a servile role. I'm sure there is garbage in all of academia, but I had a degree before I went for nursing and what I found in nursing school was completely different from anything I saw before. When I went for my MSN the only places I would feel safe/comfortable, not worry about getting in trouble because I might sound too smart, were two classes I took at the College of Public Health.

I wish there was a way to define and study such issues. I think it is important - how can someone feel primary responibility to their professional licenses (and therefore patients) if they are also expected to behave in a servile manner towards others with dfferent priorities?

It is a dilemma.

Murder is wrong. But there is an increased incidence when there is a rage producing situation. With a reduction in rage, I think one would see a reduction in murder. Rage is an emotion - but, there are frequenly events in the environment that trigger it in susceptible individuals, I think the same events that can trigger depression in those who are susceptible. Those who do not have backgrounds that lead to rage or depressed responses are also impacted by these types of triggers: with frustration, anger, denial or escape.

While we can work on identifying those who are susceptible or deal with the aftermath when these become full blown, as nurses, could we try to work on the environmental triggers as well?

Hey Rusty your daughter needs a shave! (O U Mean the other picture....)

Hey Rusty your daughter needs a shave! (O U Mean the other picture....)

(Can they really yank you nursing license for being a deadbeat?)

I certainly recall instructors with capricious ways. I dont doubt he had legitimate beefs, and that he knew he was unliked. I'm sure I dont get the murder part. But why do schools have to be so cut-throat and competetive? Are we fashioning them after med schools? We are a separate discipline. ( You all know that) I dont get this seemingly unsypathetic -to -your -personal- needs part either.

(Can they really yank you nursing license for being a deadbeat?)

I certainly recall instructors with capricious ways. I dont doubt he had legitimate beefs, and that he knew he was unliked. I'm sure I dont get the murder part. But why do schools have to be so cut-throat and competetive? Are we fashioning them after med schools? We are a separate discipline. ( You all know that) I dont get this seemingly unsypathetic -to -your -personal- needs part either.

In the state of Michigan anyone who has to have a license to do their profession is subject to losing it if they are in arrears. That includes physicians, nurses, attorney's, plumbers, electricians, contractors etc...

And yes, here there have been people who have had their license suspended for child support arrears.

In the state of Michigan anyone who has to have a license to do their profession is subject to losing it if they are in arrears. That includes physicians, nurses, attorney's, plumbers, electricians, contractors etc...

And yes, here there have been people who have had their license suspended for child support arrears.

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, and I don't intend to. I have read enough. I just finished reading Bob's letter.

If you folks haven't learned to recognize the signs of bullying yet, I sure wish you'd start now. I can't condone Bob's actions, of course. But, it was inevitable, just like it was inevitable at Columbine. One person starts to bully, and everyone else decides there is something wrong with the person, too. Bit by bit, the person is destroyed, and the depression and anti-social behavior that was CAUSED by the bullying is just used as "evidence" to support the first person's bullying.

I see it here in some of these posts. I don't mean to criticize anyone. I just want you ALL to start being aware that this kind of behavior that was done by the faculty members is highly destructive. It was bullying.

It never ceases to amaze me how totally cruel people can be to each other; then how surprised they are when someone has had enough.

I beg of you to start getting sensitive to the dynamics of this behavioral syndrome. Someday, maybe you'll have a chance to put your hand on the next Robert Flores' arm and tell him that you understand what he's going through, instead of ostracizing him. And maybe, just maybe YOU can stop the next Columbine or Arizona shooting, because you can stop the destruction with an ounce of compassion.

If you read my posts, you'd know that I really shy away from controversial topics, and try to keep it cordial and helpful. But, this time, some of you are just plain wrong. Read this thread. Follow the links. Learn something. Flame away. I really don't care.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24847&highlight=are+you+a+victim

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, and I don't intend to. I have read enough. I just finished reading Bob's letter.

If you folks haven't learned to recognize the signs of bullying yet, I sure wish you'd start now. I can't condone Bob's actions, of course. But, it was inevitable, just like it was inevitable at Columbine. One person starts to bully, and everyone else decides there is something wrong with the person, too. Bit by bit, the person is destroyed, and the depression and anti-social behavior that was CAUSED by the bullying is just used as "evidence" to support the first person's bullying.

I see it here in some of these posts. I don't mean to criticize anyone. I just want you ALL to start being aware that this kind of behavior that was done by the faculty members is highly destructive. It was bullying.

It never ceases to amaze me how totally cruel people can be to each other; then how surprised they are when someone has had enough.

I beg of you to start getting sensitive to the dynamics of this behavioral syndrome. Someday, maybe you'll have a chance to put your hand on the next Robert Flores' arm and tell him that you understand what he's going through, instead of ostracizing him. And maybe, just maybe YOU can stop the next Columbine or Arizona shooting, because you can stop the destruction with an ounce of compassion.

If you read my posts, you'd know that I really shy away from controversial topics, and try to keep it cordial and helpful. But, this time, some of you are just plain wrong. Read this thread. Follow the links. Learn something. Flame away. I really don't care.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24847&highlight=are+you+a+victim

Youda, your eloquence overwhelms me.

lisainaz - I am sorry you were there and experienced this tragedy. Recently, I returned to NYC, my home, and have seen the impact of the WTC events on those who were there, witnessed it, and lost loved ones. The destruction you witnessed may have been on a smaller scale nationally, the experience of witnessing any sort of destructive act must, I think, be the same.

I am also sorry that you felt you should not have posted your comments as others asked the link be posted as well. I appreciated your comments and point of view.

I ask the question I asked before? Can something positive come out of this tragedy? It appears the killer hoped there might be a positive outcome for nursing education.

Noting the aftermath of Columbine, the lawsuits that arose from it, and the changes in education that resulted, he said, "The instructors will make statements to the effect I was unbalanced .... The worse they make me out to be the more ammunition they will give to litigants."

If nothing else, he knew his instructors. The school is claiming that he was unbalanced, suicidal, and, once before, had reported him to the police. They did not report him to the licensing board and when contacted by the police said they would counsel him. They are providing a road map, as he expected, for the lawyers to follow.

While it should not require murder to address the bullying attitudes of instructors, schools of nursing, and employers, it has happened. Even though it means doing what a killer wanted, perhaps nursing education can be changed.

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