Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ??

[indynurse]

I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been shot...No word on condition...I hope they are not seriously wounded.

My prayers are with them.

[nightingale, RN]

Originally posted by Youda

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, and I don't intend to. I have read enough. I just finished reading Bob's letter.

If you folks haven't learned to recognize the signs of bullying yet, I sure wish you'd start now. I can't condone Bob's actions, of course. But, it was inevitable, just like it was inevitable at Columbine. One person starts to bully, and everyone else decides there is something wrong with the person, too. Bit by bit, the person is destroyed, and the depression and anti-social behavior that was CAUSED by the bullying is just used as "evidence" to support the first person's bullying.

I see it here in some of these posts. I don't mean to criticize anyone. I just want you ALL to start being aware that this kind of behavior that was done by the faculty members is highly destructive. It was bullying.

It never ceases to amaze me how totally cruel people can be to each other; then how surprised they are when someone has had enough.

I beg of you to start getting sensitive to the dynamics of this behavioral syndrome. Someday, maybe you'll have a chance to put your hand on the next Robert Flores' arm and tell him that you understand what he's going through, instead of ostracizing him. And maybe, just maybe YOU can stop the next Columbine or Arizona shooting, because you can stop the destruction with an ounce of compassion.

If you read my posts, you'd know that I really shy away from controversial topics, and try to keep it cordial and helpful. But, this time, some of you are just plain wrong. Read this thread. Follow the links. Learn something. Flame away. I really don't care.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24847&highlight=are+you+a+victim

YES YOuda.... yes....

This is our oppourtunity to be a fly on the wall to someones pain... This man, Bob, suffered, trully suffered and was bullied. I saw it in my school.... Thank God I had so little of it directed at me... I "learned" to keep my head down and shut up....

"Shutting up" is not what we should be doing here....

We have this incredible oppourtunity to read what was in the mind of the accused.... Only the victims really know the other truths...

Of course none of us are condoning guns, violence, and lowering standards of grades... none of us want the standards lowered.. but we are human beings getting through a very stressful ltime as we pass through nursing school....

How much more I could have, would have, should have learned in nursing school had ALL of my instructors been appropriate, kind, and without a "different agenda"...

I do not know why instructors do that.. granted not all.. but it is there... enough of it for ALL of US to recognize it....

Take advantage of this oppourtunity and just think of how we can turn this terrible, painful, and unwarranted act of violence and turn it around to create good....

"let it begin somewhere.... and let it begin with me"....

B.

[nightingale, RN]

Originally posted by abrenrn

I ask the question I asked before? Can something positive come out of this tragedy? It appears the killer hoped there might be a positive outcome for nursing education.

If nothing else, he knew his instructors. The school is claiming that he was unbalanced, suicidal, and, once before, had reported him to the police. They did not report him to the licensing board and when contacted by the police said they would counsel him. They are providing a road map, as he expected, for the lawyers to follow.

While it should not require murder to address the bullying attitudes of instructors, schools of nursing, and employers, it has happened. Even though it means doing what a killer wanted, perhaps nursing education can be changed.

It needs to be addressed.. I hope something positive can come of this...

Thank you colleagues for so eloquently expressing my thoughts...

[nightingale, RN]

Originally posted by abrenrn

I ask the question I asked before? Can something positive come out of this tragedy? It appears the killer hoped there might be a positive outcome for nursing education.

If nothing else, he knew his instructors. The school is claiming that he was unbalanced, suicidal, and, once before, had reported him to the police. They did not report him to the licensing board and when contacted by the police said they would counsel him. They are providing a road map, as he expected, for the lawyers to follow.

While it should not require murder to address the bullying attitudes of instructors, schools of nursing, and employers, it has happened. Even though it means doing what a killer wanted, perhaps nursing education can be changed.

It needs to be addressed.. I hope something positive can come of this...

Thank you colleagues for so eloquently expressing my thoughts...

[Brita01]

So many people on this thread sympathizing with the shooter because of a letter he wrote. Or condoning the use of guns. And not a whole lot praying for the victims he shot who didn't EVEN have a chance to speak up for themselves because they didn't know death was coming for them. Once again a killer is getting the kind of attention he wanted but didn't deserve. I understand what's going on in this world less and less.

[Brita01]

So many people on this thread sympathizing with the shooter because of a letter he wrote. Or condoning the use of guns. And not a whole lot praying for the victims he shot who didn't EVEN have a chance to speak up for themselves because they didn't know death was coming for them. Once again a killer is getting the kind of attention he wanted but didn't deserve. I understand what's going on in this world less and less.

[JMP]

I noted that Oprah is doing a show today that discusses gun control. I only saw the preview....but knowing her shows it will probally present a balanced and unemotional viewpoint. Might be worth watching if you can. I will try to watch it.

I too have read the letter from the shooter. Many of us are so eagar to attach blame...... and really the shooter was the one who picked up the gun, drove to the school, aimed it and shot people dead. He was responsible for his actions. He did not sound crazy or insane and IF HE HAD LIVED, at his trial the letter would not have given him excuses...... he would have been put to death, since the US still has the death penalty.

[JMP]

I noted that Oprah is doing a show today that discusses gun control. I only saw the preview....but knowing her shows it will probally present a balanced and unemotional viewpoint. Might be worth watching if you can. I will try to watch it.

I too have read the letter from the shooter. Many of us are so eagar to attach blame...... and really the shooter was the one who picked up the gun, drove to the school, aimed it and shot people dead. He was responsible for his actions. He did not sound crazy or insane and IF HE HAD LIVED, at his trial the letter would not have given him excuses...... he would have been put to death, since the US still has the death penalty.

[Q.]

Originally posted by Brita01

Once again a killer is getting the kind of attention he wanted but didn't deserve. I understand what's going on in this world less and less.

Agree. We've turned this killer into a martyr for all the poor, distraught nursing students out there who may be stressed out, telling them it's OKAY to be inappropriate and vent inappropriately, and that all your problems are the fault of someone being mean to you..even as an adult, and that basically, you lack the control or will to control your actions because your feelings were just so damn hurt.

I am at a loss of words.

One of the professors shot and killed in cold blood was a personal friend of one of my professors at school. I can't imagine telling her or the victim's families that maybe if the instructors had been more "loving" that their lives would have been spared. Let's not forget, we're assuming that they WERE rude to him. We're taking the word of a cold-blooded killer. Funny how the other nursing students found those profs kind and helpful....

[Q.]

Originally posted by Brita01

Once again a killer is getting the kind of attention he wanted but didn't deserve. I understand what's going on in this world less and less.

Agree. We've turned this killer into a martyr for all the poor, distraught nursing students out there who may be stressed out, telling them it's OKAY to be inappropriate and vent inappropriately, and that all your problems are the fault of someone being mean to you..even as an adult, and that basically, you lack the control or will to control your actions because your feelings were just so damn hurt.

I am at a loss of words.

One of the professors shot and killed in cold blood was a personal friend of one of my professors at school. I can't imagine telling her or the victim's families that maybe if the instructors had been more "loving" that their lives would have been spared. Let's not forget, we're assuming that they WERE rude to him. We're taking the word of a cold-blooded killer. Funny how the other nursing students found those profs kind and helpful....

[nightingale, RN]

Do we only focus on one aspect of the patient when we provide care? I hope not.

We have this oppourtunity to create change. To make something so horrible into something for the greater good...

None of us, who stated we had sadness for Bob and empathy for his plight, stated that the professors deserved what they got. Violence has NO justification...

I am surprised, by the level of intelligences of the posters and the regulars on this board, that you are not looking at and learning from all the issues that are presented....

[nightingale, RN]

Do we only focus on one aspect of the patient when we provide care? I hope not.

We have this oppourtunity to create change. To make something so horrible into something for the greater good...

None of us, who stated we had sadness for Bob and empathy for his plight, stated that the professors deserved what they got. Violence has NO justification...

I am surprised, by the level of intelligences of the posters and the regulars on this board, that you are not looking at and learning from all the issues that are presented....

[Q.]

I am even more stunned that you are referring to the killler by a first name. Bob? As in Robert Flores? Unless I am mistaken.

Sometimes there IS no solution to people who are self-serving and who have no regard for human life. There is not much that can be done about it. Flores had many choices in life and made the ones he made: unfortunately he regretted those decisions. That is not my problem nor should I be concerned. As an adult he is responsible for his own life. Not me, and not you.

If shooting nursing instructors became a widespread problem, I could see starting to look at the similiarities. But an isolated incident of a self-serving luzer does not justify analyzing colleges, or starting to criticize instructors for not diagnosing and treating aggressive behaviors in school and simply enforcing rules. If it does, then maybe I aught to rethink being an educator if that kind of responsibility is going to be placed on me. Heck, I may be afraid to fail a student because of some depression characteristics that I may not have seen. If he hadn't killed me, would I be sued?

This man made a choice. He obviously felt justified in it, so let's let him "live" with it.