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No. 20
from nurse s
Old Aug 16, 2001, 07:25 PM

It's the teacher again...sorry, I can't help myself.
JenMarie......I have taught for a couple of years, and the school I am currently at has a wonderful principal, support system, etc especially for new teachers. But be aware, just as you had some bad experiences with management, I have had the same bad experiences. And a good support system doesn't mean happiness, I can attest to that! My first year of teaching I was told there was a mentor program....but it was a joke and I was left on my own.What a horrible year. As the environment is different from school to school, as I am sure the same rule applies from hospital to hospital! One of the things I dislike the most about teaching is the lack of spontaniety. I know what I will be doing when I get there each morning....it sucks! Also, if you think people respect teachers, think again (of course, some people give them respect). I get so much flack because people see me as a glorified babysitter, and think what I do is pud. My husband thought teaching wasn't stressful until we got married and he realized how much prep and bs is involved in it.

Whoever told somebody that teachers make 75-100k is off their rocker. The superientendent of a district makes about 115K! There is no way they would pay a teacher that.
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No. 21
from nurse s
Old Aug 16, 2001, 07:29 PM

Just for you nurses out there who are wondering. I work in one of the most highly regarded school districts in the KC area, and the pay for a first year teacher is 25,800. I have heard that in texas they start around 30, and it's higher is places like california where the cost of living is higher. For me, teaching pays my bills. A lot of the teachers I know have side jobs to pay for clothes, a decent car, etc.

How does nursing compare in first year salary?
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No. 22
from CEN35
Old Aug 16, 2001, 10:44 PM

Oh yeah No comment been through that one with the other half of my house...........and the answer is: "You should have been a teacher". Of course nobody ever heard me say I was done with school yet, don't think I ever will be!
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No. 23
from st4304
Old Aug 16, 2001, 11:26 PM

Hello? Me again. I started this post because I was frustrated that my neighbor was complaining to me about returning to her job after a ten week vacation (trust me, she didn't work during her 10 week hiatus, she vacationed) and there I stood happy that school was starting so my kids finally would be back in school after spending the summer watching TV/video games because I had to work the entire summer because staffing (maternity leave, elective gallbladder surgery leave, etc) would not allow me to have more than a day or two off here or there. (We did get to go camping for four days in June, Yippee!) I really didn't want this to turn into a we vs. they post. . .BUT

In Indiana, the median elementary school teacher's salary is $41,000 (according to salary.com) for 180 working days. (Notice I didn't say 180 "8-hour" working days.) $41,000 divided by 180 equals $227.77/day. I made, including overtime, $40,000 last year. If I divide that by 180 working days, it equals $222.22/day. Not that much difference per day between myself and a teacher, except I didn't work just 180 days. I got my 3% annual cost of living raise last week (I have NEVER received a sign-on bonus, any kind of bonus for that matter, nor a merit raise in 6 years of employment as an RN) so I now make $19.25/hr which works out to $154.00/day if I work 8 hrs or $40,040/yr (no overtime included). By comparison, if teachers worked all year like the rest of us at their current average daily salary of $227.77, the average yearly salary of a teacher in the great state of Indiana would be $59,220.

My sister and my sister-in-law teach 4th grade, my mother-in-law teaches 5th grade, and my brother-in-law teaches high school science. Trust me, I know what teachers go through during the school year; it can be as stressful as nursing, just a different kind of stress. However, I have never known my sister to miss her son's game because she had papers to grade or prep to do, but I have missed several of my kids' games or programs (especially Xmas programs) because of my nursing.

No, neither of us make near enough the money we should. Yes, I have more options and job opportunities as a nurse, but not at better pay (in my area of the world, anyway.) I guess I just don't want to hear -- and I direct this to my neighbor, whom I love dearly -- complaining about ten weeks not being long enough "to recover" from the previous school year when you are standing there tanned, and your kids are tanned, and your house is clean, and I am pale from no sun exposure and the only tan my kids have is from mowing your lawn while you were gone for two weeks seeing the Grand Canyon!

Hey, this has been fun and informative, and I honestly hope I have not offended anyone. Everybody have a GREAT school year!

Your pal,

Sherri

Peace!
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No. 24
from JenMarie
Old Aug 18, 2001, 05:56 AM

Hi Jen Marie here again. MollyJ. Thanx for the kind words. I do hope that the prep work will get easier for the teaching as time goes by.

Phantom, you ask about the pay. When I was saying that I will get more as a novice teacher than I would get as a nurse with 4 years post grad experience, I was referring to my overall salary. I live in New Zealand, so the figures will not means so much to most of you, but as a first year teaher I will make about $35 000 a year (around $60 000 USD a year). As a nurse with 4 years experience I would make only $30 000 per year with differentials. These salaries do not include any benefits or the like that I commonly hear mentioned on this bb as it is not commonplace to get any benefits in NZ. On the other hand we have a publicly funded health system, so that is probably why things such as medical insurance it are not included.

As for the fact of getting more money as a teacher, yes I believe I will be working more hours. But I think that the fact that I get more breaks off per year and no shift work will make it worth it. I hope that answer your question, Phantom.

Jen
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No. 25
from JenMarie
Old Aug 18, 2001, 06:23 AM

Jen Marie again.
MollyJ, I forgot to answer your query about what I will be teaching. As I am not qualified yet as a teacher (only 3 months left though), in the course we take cirriculum courses in the range of subjects that we have previously studied, and then we can apply for jobs in those subject areas. As well as my B Health Science degree (Nursing), I also have an unfinished science degree. In the future I hope to finish this degree part time one day.

So this year my cirriculum courses are Health, science and maths. I enjoy teaching maths as I find it really easy to make it applicable to students' lives. I am also currently teaching (while on placement in a school) a course at year 11 (students aged 15-16 years) in Human Bio. This is basically an intro A & P class, and I really enjoy teaching that class.

What do you teach? There is a chronic shortage of teachers in NZ and the government has started offering scholarships to those who choose to teach math and science. They have just introduced these, so unfortunately I missed out on them.

I believe that nursing and teaching have many common qualities and I do believe that becomming a nurse has increased my confidence a lot. I could not have become a teacher straight from school. Interestingly I find I really have to work at developing a loud and authorative voice in the classroom. I think that because I am used to being a "gentle" person as a nurse and only talking to one person at a time that talking to a class of students is different.

All the best in your quest to become a nurse. I am sure that you will be great.
Jen
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No. 26
from hannabear1
Old Aug 18, 2001, 09:22 AM

Teachers don't just work 6h a day, they do have to take their work home with them. Nurses don't as far as paperwork.
Also, are you all forgeting that Nurses are also teachers! And I mean that in the sense of teaching our patients----

However, I do have to agree that it isn't fair that teachers get the summer off with the same pay rate they get during the school year.
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No. 27
from kewlnurse
Old Aug 18, 2001, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by nurse s


Whoever told somebody that teachers make 75-100k is off their rocker. The superientendent of a district makes about 115K! There is no way they would pay a teacher that.
I said that and I am seated bery firmly in my rocker. Sorry but thats what teachers make in this area. Did i menton they just got a %13 raise! Thats in the city of Buffalo, the teachers in the burbs make more.
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No. 28
from nurse s
Old Aug 18, 2001, 04:01 PM

Allright....If I don't get into nursing school, I'm moving to Buffalo.
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No. 29
from KC CHICK
Old Aug 18, 2001, 04:53 PM
Updated Aug 18, 2001 at 05:49 PM by KC CHICK

Default Hey nurse s
You said that starting pay for teachers in KC is $25, 800????
Wow. 1st year out of school and they're paying me, as well as other new grads, $37,000/yr. That's BASE pay w/no diffs or OT. If that's what they're paying teachers here, you're better off with your original plans = becoming a nurse. (Or, I guess, you could move to Buffalo. )
Also, as far as hours go, I'm in the OR working Mon-Fri 0645-1515. Bankers hours - can't beat 'em. Although, I have heard some say that they prefer 12's and would never go back to 8's. Personal preference I guess.
Good luck.

(PS: I'm a northlander at Liberty Hospital.)
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