Religion's Place in Nursing - page 4

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   TopCat1234
    Quote from 3rdshiftguy
    an interesting way to find peace of mind. but obviously it works for some.
    wisdom is peace of mind. "for the lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding." proverbs 2:6

    topcat
  2. by   sbic56
    Quote from topcat1234
    jesus has approved of such a stance. he himself said "i am the way, the truth and the life. no one can get to the father except by means of me." john 14:6

    topcat
    the difference i see is in the way he speaks as opposed to how j lynn does. that is where i take exception. i doubt very much he would approve of the snide, condescending attitude she displays.
  3. by   Spidey's mom
    Don, to tell the truth I had never heard of that controversy about Billy Graham and so read a couple of articles. The one below is a refreshingly honest one by his biographer.

    http://www.beliefnet.com/story/102/story_10213_1.html

    steph
  4. by   sbic56
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    sbic56, when are you going to get it through your thick skull that is exactly how Christians feel. They have the TRUTH, end of discussion for them. Most acknowledge that there are others in the world who don't feel as they do, but they are wrong.

    I understand that completely about Christians. That's why these types of discussions generally get know where. It's very hard to debate with those who know the truth without a shadow of a doubt. (See Topcat's post for an example).

    Why you continue to try thread after thread month after month is amazing. LOL

    Said with much love mind you, cause you know I loves you. I certainly appreciate that when a Christian is being unreasonable you call them on it. But getting them to consider anything outside of the Truth is not gonna happen.
    I will be heard, I will be heard...lol. I know, I just can't seem to let it go. Why on earth must I continue to believe that all the gods of any and all the great religions are good and loving and don't need to use fear, guilt and shame as a tool to control us? I guess there is just no hope for this unenlightened soul of mine.
  5. by   sbic56
    Quote from topcat1234
    "the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom." psalm 111:10

    topcat
    then i'll remain a fool. sounds pretty dysfunctional all this love and fear rolled up onto itself. kind of creepy, really!
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from sbic56
    The difference I see is in the way he speaks as opposed to how J lynn does. That is where I take exception. I doubt very much he would approve of the snide, condescending attitude she displays.
    Well Jesus did have some harsh things to say to those who didn't think like him. In fact, he threw a major tamtrum in a temple throwing things, screaming at the merchants "stop making my father's temple a marketplace".
  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from sbic56
    I will be heard, I will be heard...lol. I know, I just can't seem to let it go. Why on earth must I continue to believe that all the gods of any and all the great religions are good and loving and don't need to use fear, guilt and shame as a tool to control us? I guess there is just no hope for this unenlightened soul of mine.

    No hope. But be careful, you talk like that and people are going to pray for you.
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    Well Jesus did have some harsh things to say to those who didn't think like him. In fact, he threw a major tamtrum in a temple throwing things, screaming at the merchants "stop making my father's temple a marketplace".
    Yep, he was appalled at the merchants who perverted the temple. And rightly so.

    Sometimes I think people see Jesus as the guy with the kids on his lap and the lambs and cattle in the meadow behind him, who never raised his voice or sounded disappointed. Because of Easter, in reading the story of his death and resurrection, when he was in the garden awaiting what he knew was coming he asked his disciples to pray with him and was saddened when they left him and fell asleep. He wasn't a plastic person with only goodie two shoes things to think and say.

    steph
  9. by   donmurray
    I don't remember who commented that if He does come back, He'll be real ticked off that His fans all carry reminders of how we killed Him off last time!
  10. by   VickyRN
    But be careful, you talk like that and people are going to pray for you.

    One of my favorite quotes: "Don't say it, just pray it."
  11. by   sbic56
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    Well Jesus did have some harsh things to say to those who didn't think like him. In fact, he threw a major tamtrum in a temple throwing things, screaming at the merchants "stop making my father's temple a marketplace".
    That's right. I do remember that story, even with my limited biblical knowledge, now that you mention it. I am sure Jesus could be a pain in the butt, too, but like steph says, most think of him hanging out with lambs and babies. So that's why some christians think it's OK tpo push this stuff, because jesus did it too. Argh. I bet Jesus would admit the error of his ways if he could see how annoying it really can be.
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from sbic56
    That's right. I do remember that story, even with my limited biblical knowledge, now that you mention it. I am sure Jesus could be a pain in the butt, too, but like steph says, most think of him hanging out with lambs and babies. So that's why some christians think it's OK tpo push this stuff, because jesus did it too. Argh. I bet Jesus would admit the error of his ways if he could see how annoying it really can be.
    Actually he hung out with the Ragamuffins . . . the tax collectors and other "sinners" and the Pharisees couldn't figure out why he wanted to be seen or eat meals with "those people". Today He would hang out with corporate executives, street people, superstars, farmers, hookers, addicts, IRS agents, AIDS victims and even used car salesmen. Jesus has invited sinners and not the self-righteous to his table. He didn't hang with the Pharisees.

    steph
  13. by   donmurray
    A bit of a socialist really, attacking the rich establishment in defence of the poor and the lame...

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