Religion's Place in Nursing - page 21

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   duckboy20
    That is exactly why there is such a huge difference between Religion and Christianity.
    I totally agree with that, there is a big difference between the two!
  2. by   sbic56
    Quote from Frances LeMay
    That is exactly why there is such a huge difference between Religion and Christianity. Ummm,:uhoh21: hope I didn't open up a can of worms.
    You are right about that. But, in defense of those hippocritical christians, I can see where they struggle. I don't like the dogma and ridgidity of organized religions and I think that is where people get all twisted up in it, as they are trying so hard to folow what they are told, but being human, cannot. Another reason I don't follow any particular religion is that each is convinced that theirs is the way. That of course can't be. I understand some people find solice or strength in their chosen faith, but I can't subscribe to one in particular myself.
  3. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from sbic56
    You are right about that. But, in defense of those hippocritical christians, I can see where they struggle. I don't like the dogma and ridgidity of organized religions and I think that is where people get all twisted up in it, as they are trying so hard to folow what they are told, but being human, cannot. Another reason I don't follow any particular religion is that each is convinced that theirs is the way. That of course can't be. I understand some people find solice or strength in their chosen faith, but I can't subscribe to one in particular myself.
    Sbic,
    I used to be a member of organized religion. During the 25 years I struggled to follow all the rules, and failing miserably, plus being one of the outcasts by the cliques because I was a single mom by then, feeling guilty all the time, wanting to do more pleasant things instead of enduring the Sabbath until it ended, and being betrayed, and judged by the ahem "lofties," I was one of the first members of our newly reformed non-denominational church. Sadly, my twin sister still believes the old way, and my niece who lives with her is one very unhappy girl. I feel sooo bad for her.
  4. by   sbic56
    Quote from Frances LeMay
    Sbic,
    I used to be a member of organized religion. During the 25 years I struggled to follow all the rules, and failing miserably, plus being one of the outcasts by the cliques because I was a single mom by then, feeling guilty all the time, wanting to do more pleasant things instead of enduring the Sabbath until it ended, and being betrayed, and judged by the ahem "lofties," I was one of the first members of our newly reformed non-denominational church. Sadly, my twin sister still believes the old way, and my niece who lives with her is one very unhappy girl. I feel sooo bad for her.
    It sounds like you have made sense of it all. Actually, the fact that you are at peace with yourself shows in your posts. The basic tenents of religions are great; it is what man does to them that pisses me off. I have a great friend who spent some time studying to be a priest, but he never finished. He is gay and that probably had some bearing on his decision, not sure. Mostly he was bothered by the way the church changed. He is very much a follower of Jesus. He never holds any judgment toward anyone. I have the ultimate repsect for him as he is genuine. The difference between him and some other christians I have met (my brother included) is that I can feel safe around him without feeling like he looks down on me because I believe differently than he does. I suspect you are much like him in that way.
  5. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from sbic56
    It sounds like you have made sense of it all. Actually, the fact that you are at peace with yourself shows in your posts. The basic tenents of religions are great; it is what man does to them that pisses me off. I have a great friend who spent some time studying to be a priest, but he never finished. He is gay and that probably had some bearing on his decision, not sure. Mostly he was bothered by the way the church changed. He is very much a follower of Jesus. He never holds any judgment toward anyone. I have the ultimate repsect for him as he is genuine. The difference between him and some other christians I have met (my brother included) is that I can feel safe around him without feeling like he looks down on me because I believe differently than he does. I suspect you are much like him in that way.
    You are absolutely correct, my friend.
  6. by   nursemjb
    Quote from Frances LeMay
    I can answer that question, but I will refrain. I don't want to stir up any controversy.
    I'll be controversial. I'm definitely one of the "foolish" believers.

    The Bible says, 'Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you, and lo I (Jesus) am with you always, even till the end of the world.

    God commands (it's not the Great Suggestion - it's the Great Commission) that we preach the Gospel and then it is up to the Holy Spirit to speak to the hearts of men. I pray that he speaks to all that read this post.
  7. by   nursemjb
    It does matter who is right or wrong. The Bible says, "I (Jesus) am the way, the truth, and the life, NO MAN comes to the Father but BY ME. That means sinners or saints, good or bad, and there will be a judgement where the Book of Life will be opened and whoevers name isn't in it will be cast into the Lake of Fire. No excuses will be taken then, then it will be too late.
    I wouldn't want to take a chance of not believing in Jesus, and finding out I was wrong for all eternity, how about you????? God says in the Bible, "I have put eternity into the minds of men." That is the hope that Christians have, to spend eternity loving, adoring, and worshipping God.
    But utimately it is your choice, I pray you make the right one.
    A great movie about this very thing to watch is "The Bema", it talks about the judgment seat of Christ - "The Bema" seat.
  8. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Paednoch
    .consider this.. believe or not which one is worse to be incorrect at? If you believe in life after death and it aint true then you are just a fool in this life. But what if the opposite were true? What if you (like most of the posters here) don't believe..and er eh..are wrong? Better to be a fool for a few decades then a fool for eternity. I offer all of you to simply contemplate it. If I am right you are all in big trouble...
    So you are a devote believing Christian because fear of eternity...so that is the basis of your Faith.

    My faith is just that. I do not have Faith because I "fear" something...I have Faith in G-d because I believe in him with all my heart and soul.

    Not because of some trivial chosing between the lesser of two possible punishments. That would be rather poor reason to espouse a Faith.

    I could not ever espouse Faith in Christianity because of such a trivial reason. Faith is Faith. You cannot believe in something merely because it is the better bet. And you cannot force someone to believe in what they do not, because of some ambiguous fear of retribution.

    And the G-d I believe knows the difference.
  9. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from nursemjb
    I'll be controversial. I'm definitely one of the "foolish" believers.

    The Bible says, 'Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you, and lo I (Jesus) am with you always, even till the end of the world.

    God commands (it's not the Great Suggestion - it's the Great Commission) that we preach the Gospel and then it is up to the Holy Spirit to speak to the hearts of men. I pray that he speaks to all that read this post.
    I do agree with your post, but it also so says to let your light so shine as a beacon. How can we do that if we don't walk the talk. I believe we are better gospel spreaders by setting the example Jesus taught rather than just talking about. I know Him very well; trust me. He has been my friend, my soulmate, my everything for 38 years, and I love Him more each and every day. That is why I work as spreading His love, His sense of humor, His mercy and compassion, His humility, and His generosity.
  10. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from nursemjb
    It does matter who is right or wrong. The Bible says, "I (Jesus) am the way, the truth, and the life, NO MAN comes to the Father but BY ME. That means sinners or saints, good or bad, and there will be a judgement where the Book of Life will be opened and whoevers name isn't in it will be cast into the Lake of Fire. No excuses will be taken then, then it will be too late.
    I wouldn't want to take a chance of not believing in Jesus, and finding out I was wrong for all eternity, how about you????? God says in the Bible, "I have put eternity into the minds of men." That is the hope that Christians have, to spend eternity loving, adoring, and worshipping God.
    But utimately it is your choice, I pray you make the right one.
    A great movie about this very thing to watch is "The Bema", it talks about the judgment seat of Christ - "The Bema" seat.
    You see my friend, this is exactly what chases non-Christians away from us. The preaching of hell and condemnation. That's not love; that a fear tactic. Do you see the difference? I'm sure the non-believer would. I not only believe in God and in Jesus Christ, I also believe Him, because I have learned over the years that He definitely will and does fulfill His promise that if we place our problems in His hands, and let Him work them out, He will deliver in an awesomely wonderful way. A way that is beyond your wildest imagination. The last miracle He performed for me was on Easter Sunday.
    I know exactly where I'm going to go when I die too, and each new day that comes, I know I'm closer to it, and am so very eager to love be at the best wedding of all time. That of being the bride of Christ.
    Last edit by FranEMTnurse on May 13, '04
  11. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from sbic56
    You are right about that. But, in defense of those hippocritical christians, I can see where they struggle. I don't like the dogma and ridgidity of organized religions and I think that is where people get all twisted up in it, as they are trying so hard to folow what they are told, but being human, cannot. Another reason I don't follow any particular religion is that each is convinced that theirs is the way. That of course can't be. I understand some people find solice or strength in their chosen faith, but I can't subscribe to one in particular myself.
    You sound remarkably like myself. I do, however, consider myself a Christian but I sorta have my own religion and "church and worship" at home because I refuse to follow the rigidity of some of the churches in my area.
  12. by   sbic56
    Quote from CNM2B
    You sound remarkably like myself. I do, however, consider myself a Christian but I sorta have my own religion and "church and worship" at home because I refuse to follow the rigidity of some of the churches in my area.
    As I said before, there is so much that is good about christianity. It was based on the teachings of a really great man. I doubt he would have liked what some do with it. I am not sure what I can believe. I have been exposed to mostly chrstianity having been a westerner, but I can make more sense of many of the eastern philosphies.; much more spiritual, less man-made to me.
  13. by   GreenWitch
    Quote from sbic56
    As I said before, there is so much that is good about christianity. It was based on the teachings of a really great man. I doubt he would have liked what some do with it. I am not sure what I can believe. I have been exposed to mostly chrstianity having been a westerner, but I can make more sense of many of the eastern philosphies.; much more spiritual, less man-made to me.
    I agree with you 100%. The bible contains some great ideas...but I really like how they do it in the east too...

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