Predictor test for NCLEX; need advise

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I posted this in the Student Nurses section also but I would like to get any feedback that I can so I am going to post this here also. I am a Nursing Student in Milwaukee, WI and am supposed to graduate in May. This is an email that a fellow student sent to our class, the governor, the senator, and all local news channels. If anyone out there has any suggestions on what we can do, please reply and let me know.

To Whom It May Concern,

I am currently attending the Registered Nursing program at Milwaukee Area Technical College. As we approach the end of the semester, I should be preparing for graduation and a celebration. Unfortunately, the majority of students are preparing to attend an additional semester due to stipulations MATC has added to the program.

It is common knowledge that MATC has always been known for their nursing program. The percentage of students passing the NCLEX Exam has been high. Approximately two years ago, the State required the technical schools to include new curriculum into the program. Since this new curriculum was added, MATC's percentages have lowered.

Now instead of fixing the problems within the program they are holding the students responsible. They are giving a predictor test in which students must pass with a score of 900 or will be unable to graduate. The students will have three attempts to pass the test. Only two of the attempts will be given before graduation, therefore if the first two attempts are unsuccessful, the student will be unable to participate in graduation. They have also attached the test to one of the classes, making it worth twenty-five points. If the "predictor test" is not passed, the class is not passed even if the student would otherwise have an A in that class. It is also required for the student to pay for each additional test needed.

The "predictor test" is called the Hesi Test. A score of 800 is a 77% which is considered passing for all other courses, and by the Hesi itself. A score of 900 is an 86%.

Hesi states that an individual who scores 70% should be able to pass the NCLEX boards. The Hesi test is very difficult and the requirement of 900 is not right. It should be 800.The results from the first attempt at this test were; 70% failed and 30% passed. Also, the students were divided into two groups, one group being allowed to take the test a week later than the other. MATC did not provide any resources for this exam. They also gave no prior warning of its existence. This is something they added and informed the students of only eight weeks in advance. It was never addressed in the beginning of the program, which if it had been may have influenced which school the student would have chosen. Students already enrolled in the program should have been grandfathered from these requirements. We have contacted all other local colleges and found that MATC is the only college to use this predictor test as a graduation requirement.

All of these expectations were given to my graduating class due to the NCLEX results of the class before me. They have all come about due to the new curriculum required by State. MATC is unable to organize the program with this new curriculum and in return are "passing the buck" onto the students. This causes a financial burden to all students; in relation to the expectation of graduation and new employment status, as well as, the additional cost needed to repeat the test and possibly another semester. Some of the students have investigated the legalities of this situation and did find an article that matched. Two students at a different college were also required to pass a "predictor exam" to graduate; they failed and were denied graduation. They sought legal aid and were able to win the case, because state did not approve.

Our class has tried to go to the appropriate authorities within the school to try and make changes. A petition was signed by 97% of the students. The student body also had a meeting with the Dean and Associate Dean that unfortunately resulted with no changes. The faculty does see the problems involved with these stipulations; however refuse to make any changes for this semester. They are going to make changes for the upcoming semester though. I find that to be discriminating against my class. This is not right.

I am writing to you for I feel my class has exhausted all other possibilities to make changes. I hope it is possible for you to investigate this situation and lend a helping hand to the "hopefully" future nurses. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

If you need a review, the school didn't do their job in the first place.

Stick to your guns; the educational establishment needs to learn just how far they can push people around.

I agree that schools can bully people but I wholly disagree with your "if you need a review" statement. The NCLEX is stressful enough that many people are scared to death going into it, I know I was, and I was a first-time passer. People like me needed the extra assurance that we had done everything we could to be fully prepared......if I didn't take the review course and had failed, I would have been kicking myself. If I had failed it anyway, I would have known it was me and not the fact that I hadn't taken advantage of every resource available to me.

Specializes in NICU/Neonatal transport.

We had to take the HESI at my school, but it is not required to get a certain score to graduate. It has a high positive predictive value, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. After we took it, depending on what we scored, we talked to an adviser who gave recommendations on what to focus on for the NCLEX. I aced the HESI and passed the NCLEX with 75 questions. My friend took the NCLEX the same day and did horribly on the HESI. She also passed with 75 questions.

I think it's asinine that they would force you to do all that stuff. I didn't take any review courses, just did online review and some books. I didn't need it, not everyone needs those things.

Specializes in L & D.

Check with your state board of nursing! We take the ATI exams at our school. When I was telling my instructor that some schools require passage of these predictor tests to graduate, she said New York State does not allow that to be a criteria for graduation, nor will they allow these tests to be counted towards your GPA. Perhaps your state has a similar rule??!

Good Luck!

Specializes in Ortho, Med surg and L&D.

Hi,

Was the predictor stipulation a part of your student requirements when you started your program?

Mine was but, there are some schools in California and Florida which also have the ATI which was not a stipulation upon the beginning of a program. If you do a google for ATI and something like students/lawyer California or something you might find some helpful contacts.

However, if it was a stipulation when you started then you have agreed by action of starting the program, basically.

Good luck,

Gen-who will have to take a comprehensive ATI but, have had practice ones each quarter

I appreciate all the responses to this post. I am and have been studying hard for this exam. I did not pass the first attempt. To answer some of the questions in the posts, no it was not a requirement upon entering the program. The school just implemented this last semester but they did not have to achieve a certain score to graduate. The school has already dropped this requirement for next semester. I will say this again, I think that the HESI test is a great idea, just not during the last semester with the rest of our courses. I do plan on looking into the State Nursing Board. Thanks for that idea. I would even say that if the test was a percentage of our grade, I think that would be better than attaching it to our class as a pass/fail. I can and do have a A in the clinical that this test is attached to but if I don't score a 900 on the next attempt, I will not graduate. The next test date is set for the day before pinning and three days before graduation. A little extra stress and pressure is really not needed seeing that is also finals week.

We had to take the HESI test twice, but just in order to see kind of where we were. It was supposed to let us know how prepared we were for NCLEX. Let me tell you, I passed the first time with flying colors and failed the second time. I passed NCLEX with 75 questions. My friend passed with flying colors the second time and failed NCLEX with the max questions. We had a school in our area that had very poor pass rates. One year they had their students take the HESI and kicked out almost half of their students when they did not pass. It was on the news etc. The students did a beg to do over it, but nothing changed for that year. They ended up taking some students back during the next year and some did not go back, they came to my school. Needless to say, I was so scared because they told us that if we pass we should be fine, and if we don't we should be worried. I personally think it is stupid to base your whole schooling on whether or not you pass the HESI. It's just a way for the school to try and "weed" people out. If they dismiss you from school then that's less people to take the HESI and fail, so it's supposed to up their pass rate. It really didn't correlate much in my situation.

Specializes in CVICU, CV Transplant.

We had no time to prepare for HESI either but we all did great. You could spend this negative energy into something positive and study for HESI. You will pass.

Avery

Specializes in ICU, CVICU.

We also have to pass HESI to graduate and I think it is rather stupid. We have been taking HESI tests since the first semester and after you get used to them they are a piece of cake. I don't even bother studying anymore because I can pass pretty easily with minimal studying now that I know how the test works.

I have been trying to do sample NCLEX questions in my spare time and I am doing terrible because I don't think that HESI prepares you for anything and I agree with the OP- instead of fixing the curriculum, schools are using HESI to weed out their weaker test takers...an important thing for prospective students to keep in mind when they are being recruited with really high NCLEX pass rates.

Specializes in CVICU, CV Transplant.
I appreciate all the responses to this post. I am and have been studying hard for this exam. I did not pass the first attempt. To answer some of the questions in the posts, no it was not a requirement upon entering the program. The school just implemented this last semester but they did not have to achieve a certain score to graduate. The school has already dropped this requirement for next semester. I will say this again, I think that the HESI test is a great idea, just not during the last semester with the rest of our courses. I do plan on looking into the State Nursing Board. Thanks for that idea. I would even say that if the test was a percentage of our grade, I think that would be better than attaching it to our class as a pass/fail. I can and do have a A in the clinical that this test is attached to but if I don't score a 900 on the next attempt, I will not graduate. The next test date is set for the day before pinning and three days before graduation. A little extra stress and pressure is really not needed seeing that is also finals week.

I understand the stress you are under. Do you have the HESI book?

Avery

As someone about to start nursing school, how do you know if the school requires the HESI? I have never seen it mentioned on any college/university's website.

As someone about to start nursing school, how do you know if the school requires the HESI? I have never seen it mentioned on any college/university's website.

Call the school and ask

Specializes in PCICU.

Check your curriculum for something called an "exit exam", this is the HESI.

First of, my class was told that the HESI is the type of exam you DON'T study for. I didn't and I was prepared to fail, not thinking much about it. I took 2 days off before the exam, i relaxed, went to the mall. I was not going to stress out over something i was told not to stress over.

OH how naive i was. I actually passed the HESI on the first try (about 12 students, out of 58 passed it on the first try). I have had the unfortunate experience of watching my fellow students study their butts off and fail the 2nd AND 3rd HESI. Apparently this exam gets harder as it goes (there are 6 or 7 versions of this exam). The school didn't offer ANY kind of preparation for the HESI (but required everyone needing to retake it after the first try to attend an NCLEX review course). It is unfair. The school does it so that they can boast about their incredible (and inaccurate) pass rates. They also do it to protect themselves (if they fall below a certain NCLEX pass rate, the school can lose NLN accreditation).

Now it is 4 months after graduation. There are some students who haven't passed the HESI that i KNOW could pass the NCLEX. Its a shame. They are losing jobs, they are losing money...and the next exam (given every 45-50 days) is now bunched in with the May grads. IMO, this travesty is a direct reflection of how poorly the school prepared these students for the end. But, at this point, they dont care. Telling us "not to worry" about it was the WORST advice ever given.

Our school even went as far as sending letters to the folks that didn't pass the 3rd HESI, telling the students that they were not taking this seriously, that they werent studying enough. It made mention of how much money and knowledge they were losing. The balls on some people...

So, anyway, i'm just sympathizing...it SUCKS. But you'll get through it. Just study hard, take a review if possible. Do lots of NCLEX questions, prepare as best you can.

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