Positive PPD with history of BCG

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I have a long drama about BCG & PPD which some out there may benefit from; especially foreign nurses moving to the US.

I had BCG as a child (age 2 I think) in preparation for my parents to move to South America. I was told to never accept a PPD because I would react.

At the age of 21 as a new nurse they gave me a PPD anyway and surprise surprise it was postive. I had to have a CXR then no more PPD's while I worked at that facility.

The next couple of jobs I took they took my word that I was reactive and that it was due to the BCG and sometimes I would have to have a CXR and sometimes they just looked at my previous reports and left well enough alone. I also thought it was ironic because I thought I was one of the few Americans out there actually protected against TB yet I was always under intense scrutiny.

I changed jobs in 2002 and my new facility took a CXR report I had from the year before (different places intermittently would decide I needed one) and that was good enough then and the next year. In 2004 they decided I needed a PPD; whatever, I though it was silly and I would react but I'm not afraid of needles. They assured me BCG would only cause a reaction for 15-20 years and I was way past that window. My PPD was negative that year! (2004). So I go back the next year and hold out my arm. That stupid thing started burning and itching hours after I left employee health and I had a nice sized red lump 72hrs later. I was assured when I was being checked by the nurse that this was a reaction to the preservative (nickel) and that the bump didn't have margins (which I disagreed with) so I was negative; see you next year !!

I should have gotten my doctor to see this bump so he could write a note saying I was "allergic" and shouldn't have another PPD but I heard rumors that our employee health wouldn't accept this (that's wrong but irrelevent now). I went in several days ago to have my annual TB test and let the nurse there know about the reaction and was there anything I could do. She stated she would need a note from my doctor then I could be exempt but obviously he would need to see a reaction to write the note so hold out your arm please. Then she saw my record and my history. "You should have had a CXR last year if you had redness", "Why didn't an RN read your PPD?" (like I'm questioning their procedures!). Apparently RN's, LVN's and techs read them there and it's considered fine but suspicious looking ones should be checked by an experienced nurse. She gave me the PPD and the name of the nurse who should check me today (knowing it would most likely react again).

Today the experienced RN checked my arm and says oh yea, you're positive, 18mm reaction, not an allergic reaction, clear margins (just like last year's). She says the antibodies produced by the BCG are no longer effective against the disease after a few years but are floating around there kind of hiding out. It took me kind of getting sensitized again (by that first PPD in 2004) and then I reacted last year and again this year. I wasn't happy but at least THIS hospital won't try again to give me a PPD. It took 6 months for the mark to go away last year. No CXR needed but she almost sent me to the County Health department. That would have been an adventure since I work in a large urban area. She also explained about how the CDC had changed their policied about PPD's with people who had BCG back the mid 90's and I've kind of gotten caught in the middle.

Anyhow; we'll see what they say next year; the story seems to change every year. . .

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Ok, question from a nursing student...

What is a BCG (no luck with googling it:uhoh3:)?

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Ok, question from a nursing student...

What is a BCG (no luck with googling it:uhoh3:)?

:chair:

BCG stands for Bacille Calmette-Guerin and it's a TB vaccine given in some countries. A lot of controversy surrounds it, since studies show conflicting information about its efficacy (some studies say it works ~80% of the time, while some say it hardly works at all). There is also a lot of confusion about how to interpret TB test results in a person who has previously received the BCG vaccine, which is the topic here.

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I had a BCG when i was a child. Never tested postive to the PPD till last year. I had this large bump which itched and itched. But my CXR was negative. So i gues i will be having CXR q1-2yrs:angryfire

I had a BCG as a child, and I have a red mark like a bean since then. It never went off, I don't know is that positive negative whatever. Is that going to be an issue when I wanna start working at a hospital? What do I have to do. I was told I don't have to take any immunizations for TB under any circumstances.

I had a BCG in 1978 in Norway. I have never been exposed to TB, and my PPD was negative until 1978. I have had negative x-rays here in the US, but just out of curiosity I had a PPD done a couple of years ago. Both my doctor and I thought I may not have a reaction since I had the BCG almost 30 years ago. Boy, were we wrong. Huge reaction, showed up as positive on the test, and swollen itchy arm. Anyway, I went and got a chest x-ray which shows me as negative, and that was it. I won't be treated for TB since I don't have it, and I will just continue to supply an x-ray when it is time for the PPD.

i had a bcg in 1978 in norway. i have never been exposed to tb, and my ppd was negative until 1978. i have had negative x-rays here in the us, but just out of curiosity i had a ppd done a couple of years ago. both my doctor and i thought i may not have a reaction since i had the bcg almost 30 years ago. boy, were we wrong. huge reaction, showed up as positive on the test, and swollen itchy arm. anyway, i went and got a chest x-ray which shows me as negative, and that was it. i won't be treated for tb since i don't have it, and i will just continue to supply an x-ray when it is time for the ppd.

what if u had a positive ppd (due to bcg from the 80's) jan 2011, negative chest x ray in jan 2011. how do you avoid getting the xrays (cause of the radiation) if you have no symptoms of tb? especially to get a healthcare job?

You won't be able to avoid the xrays if you want to work in healthcare. They will insist on them every 2 years. Does not matter if you are asymptomatic or not.

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