Ot Blues

  1. hello all! for those nurses who work in california or anywhere where you are paid over time after 8 hours. could you tell me what is the name of that law? and why are county hospitals not paying it to their employees, how is it they can get away with it?



    i recently took a perdiem position at a county facility assuming that when you work 12 hours you get paid 4 ot. when my manager sat down with me she did not state that she only stated that i would receive the amount of shift differential, working weekends. i assume it was given i would be getting paid 4 hours ot! i received my paycheck stub and to my dismay i did not see it there. i questioned her about it and she stated that i was hired to contract for 12 hours and i was told already about not getting paid ot. for the life of me why would i still be working there or anyone for that matter! on top of that she calls on my voice mail telling me that i have to work 6 days a month when my paper stated for my status i work 32 hours 16 weekends she told me i could just pull 3 12's instead but 3 more? i was very perturbed because i felt i was being misled. her attitude was more or less tough and deal with it! being the professional that i am left and started typing my resignation letter. some of these hospitals can't figure out why nurses don't stick around!
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  2. 10 Comments

  3. by   traumaRUs
    I've never heard of getting 4hours OT for a 12 hour shift. Personally, I work 12 hour nights in ER and get OT for anything over my 36 hours/week.
  4. by   pebbles
    I think it's rediculous to get OT pay for the last four hours of a twelve hour shift - unless you work five shifts a week. OT is supposed to mean working beyond the standard work-week. Which for those who work days mon-fri, is 40 hours a week. I get OT when I work beyond my regularly scheduled hours. BUT if I only worked my regularly scheduled hours, and nothing more, I would be putting in the same total number of hours as an office worker who works mon-fri.

    Yeah, my work day is longer, but I get more days off in between, so it evens out. And extra shifts, plus staying beyond the twelve hours on my regular ***** does get paid out at OT - that is the law. So how is it that you think you should deserve OT pay? If employers choose to pay their employyes this way as part of the incentive to stay there, thats fine. But it is not a right....
  5. by   Huganurse
    All the states are different in regaurds to OT. In my state you don't get OT till you have worked 40 hours in the week. Potentially you could work 6 strait 12's and get zero OT.
  6. by   Teshiee
    In the state of California it used to be that if you didn't work excess of 80 hours you wouldn't receive overtime. So that means you can work 16 or even 20 hours and no OT. To me that is crazy.
    Pebbles obviously you haven't worked in California or any state that it is mandated law that anything over 8 hours is overtime. It is not ridiculous I will never work straight time. And my topic applied to states that have the overtime after 8 hours. So anyone like yourself wouldn't have a clue! I am not asking what the overtime in each state. I said what is the law for overtime after 8 hours called and has anyone in the STATE who has overtime after 8 experience problems! I am entitled what the law states in that state. Your state doesn't have it so you don't get it! In the future instead dishing out your player hating attitude why don't you read what it was asking I wasn't asking for your comments, when you especially don't get overtime after 8 hours. Now I understand why nursing is the way it is. Player hating attitudes!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edit by Teshiee on Apr 23, '02
  7. by   g33reg
    Well stated, in california OT is everything pass 8 hours of work if you work 12 you get paid 4 hrs OT. Itis the law. Anyone making someone work more than this must pay them according first 4 time and half the second four double time.

    Must say a person must read before posting.
  8. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    ...there's an exception for healthcare workers whom work 10-12 hours due to special scheduling purposes...
    originally posted by g33reg
    well stated, in california ot is everything pass 8 hours of work if you work 12 you get paid 4 hrs ot. it is the law. anyone making someone work more than this must pay them according first 4 time and half the second four double time.

    must say a person must read before posting.
    according to the board of registered nursing 1999/2000 legislative update * ab 60 (knox) employment: overtime http://www.rn.ca.gov/leg/legups2000.htm#ab60
    it goes on to state:
    "ab 60 establishes overtime after eight hours as the general rule in california. it authorizes an employer to propose an alternative workweek schedule, which must be approved by a 2/3 vote of the affected employees. an alternative workweek schedule would allow up to 10 hours of daily work before overtime compensation would be required. it authorizes employers in the health care industry, to retain an alternative workweek schedule with workdays up to 12 hours without overtime compensation, until july 1, 2000".
    this is still a bill for now & hasn't been signed into law as of yet. the following url links will directly connect you to the california labor code:
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/lab_..._contents.html

    particularly, part 2. working hours sections 500, 510, & 511 sections a & b.
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...0&file=500-558

    part 4. employees chapter 1. wages, hours and working conditions ................ 1171-1205
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...file=1171-1205

    this following link actually answers faqs regarding understanding ab 60: an in depth look at the provisions of the ?eight hour day restoration and workplace flexibility act of 1999"
    http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ab60update.htm


    if you have any questions about other states' labor laws regarding over-time, try the following urls:
    alabama
    http://www.abn.state.al.us
    alaska
    http://www.dced.state.ak.us/occ/pnur.htm
    arizona
    http://www.azboardofnursing.org
    arkansas
    http://www.state.ar.us/nurse
    california
    http://www.rn.ca.gov
    http://www.bvnpt.ca.gov/
    colorado
    http://www.dora.state.co.us/nursing
    connecticut
    http://www.state.ct.us/dph
    delaware
    (302) 739-4522
    florida
    http://www.9.myflorida.com/mga
    georgia
    http://www.sos.state.ga.us/ebd-lpn
    http://www.sos.state.ga.us/ebd-rn
    hawaii
    http://www.state.hi.us/dcca/pvloffline
    idaho
    http://www.state.id.us/ibn/ibnhome.htm
    illinois
    http://www.dpr.state.il.us
    indiana
    http://www.state.in.us/hbp/isbn
    iowa
    http://www.state.ia.us/government/nursing
    kansas
    http://www.ksbn.org
    kentucky
    http://www.kbn.state.ky.us
    louisiana
    http://www.lsbpne.com
    http://www.lsbn.state.la.us
    maine
    http://www.state.me.us/nursingbd
    maryland
    http://dhmh1d.dhmh.state.md.us/mbn
    massachusetts
    http://www.state.ma.us/reg/boards/rn
    michigan
    http://www.cis.state.mi.us/bhser/genover.htm
    minnesota
    http:/www.nursingboard.state.mn.us
    mississippi
    http://www.msbn.state.ms.us/webtest
    missouri
    http://www.ecodev.state.mo.us/pr/nursing
    montana
    http://www.com.state.mt.us/license/pol/index.htm
    nebraska
    http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/crl/nns.htm
    nevada
    http://www.nursingboard.state.nv.us
    new hampshire
    http://www.state.nh.us/nursing
    new jersey
    http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/medical.htm
    new mexico
    http://www.state.nm.us/clients/nursing
    new york
    http://www.nysed.gov/prof/nurse.htm
    north carolina
    http://www.ncbon.com
    north dakota
    http://www.ndbon.org
    ohio
    http://www.state.oh.us/nur
    oklahoma
    (405) 962-1800
    oregon
    http://www.osbn.state.or.us
    pennsylvania
    http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bpoa/nurbd/mainpage.htm
    rhode island
    http://www.health.state.ri.us
    south carolina
    http://www.llr.state.sc.us/pol/nursing
    south dakota
    http://www.state.sd.us/dcr/nursing
    tennessee
    http://170.142.76.180/bmf-bin/bmfproflist.pl
    texas
    http://www.bne.state.tx.us
    http://www.bvne.state.tx.us
    utah
    http://www.commercestate.ut.us
    vermont
    http://vtprofessionals.org/nurses
    virginia
    http://www.dhp.state.va.us
    washington
    http://www.doh.wa.gov/nursing
    west virginia
    http://www.lpnboard.state.wv.us
    http://www.state.wv.us/nurses/rn
    wisconsin
    http://www.drl.state.wi.us
    wyoming
    http://nursing.state.wy.us

    teshiee, i hope the above urls helps answer your question.
  9. by   nursesteph
    For us it goes by the work week, 40 or over. OT can only be approved by the DON. My best friend from high school works (or did, she's nurse mgr. now) 3 12- hour shifts a week, made her full-time.And we don't get double, time & 1/2.
  10. by   Teshiee
    Thank you so much SKM-NURSIE POOH

    So it appears until it is the LAW employers in California do not have to pay time in a half after 8 hours.
    My beef was where I was working did not establish that. I feel if that is your policy, fine I can't tell a hospital how to run their facility but I do not enjoy working 12+ hours and not be compensated. Because then the abuse factor kicks in. I knew some nurses who were working 16+ hours and not getting compensated.
  11. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by teshiee ...i knew some nurses who were working 16+ hours and not getting compensated.
    that's terrible!!! :angryfire those employers also need to be reported to the better business buearu right away!!!
  12. by   traumaRUs
    In Illinois, you are not allowed to work more than 20 hours in 24 and this is specifically for health care workers. (Doesn't count for firefighters/EMTs who work 24 hour shifts but are allowed to sleep). Maybe I don't understand this thread either. In Calif, you get time and a half for the last four hours of a 12 hour shift???? Wow!!

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