Nursing, No Longer A White Woman's Job? - page 6

Discussion overheard at lunch today: ER RN (white female) "discussing" her opinion with Respiratory Therapist (white, male) and EMT (black, male) that within 10-years white women will no longer be... Read More

  1. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by Fgr8Out


    I guess you're right... geeze. I must live some sort of sheltered life, as I had no IDEA these practices occur... (
    Thanks, Brown, for setting me straight.
    Hi Fgr8out..

    You're very welcome, but one can be expected to know everything. This is something that I have withnessed myself, or I wouldn't have known about it. There is one nurse who was able to get out of this servitude, but not sure how she did it. She left here, and most people working with her didn't even know she was going. She went to Houston to visit her husband, as he was there and she was here. They were only able to see each other every other week...because of the way she was scheduled to work. One week she went to see him, and then the next week she was gone! I have to think that a hospital in Houston must have bought out her contract. But there is another one stuck here, and has been begging them to let her go, but they won't!

    She works fulltime at the contract hospital, and PT at another hospital. The contract hospital has threaten to make her terminate from the PT hospital..as they wanted her to pick up more time in their hospital...
  2. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by Jenny P
    Maybe some of the nay-sayers are not white women and that may be why they are offended--

    Thank you.
    Jenny P
    I don't get it....Help me to understand what you are saying here Jenny P.
  3. by   KBaldwinLVN
    originally posted by skm-nursiepooh

    i'm saddened to see some people are still "sick" to death about any topic that has any hint of "race" to it...just because you've never had to face racism doesn't means that it doesn't exist...sadly, it does...the only way to work this situation out is to talk about it...& for some people...it's coming to this bbs & wanting to discuss this amongst friends & acquaintances within & out of this country. why must those few individuals want to just sweep that topic under the table just because they've themselves have no affiliations or weren't directly affected by it. those comments such as "alright already" or "this topic again" or "jesus christ...", is so demeaning, disrespectful, insensitive, & dismissive at the least to those who truly need to vent about it. one could be a little bit more conservative, selective, & or professional with those types of statements...like some others posters have said, if this isn't a topic to your liking or if you're "tired" of it already, then don't participate in it if you've don't have anything constructive to say...but leave those who do want to civilly talk about it alone . where would we all be if we nurses didn't have these bbs to go to in order to vent about how the public, suits, docs, & other healthcare professionals treat & perceive us (on the job & off)!!!

    this thread topic was neither racist nor was it inflammatory...i just saw it for what it was...gomer asking for our opinions about a conversation that he'd overheard at work...that's all...nothing more...nothing less...it wasn't his intention to be inflammatory at all.

    with that said...i'll ask: who's really being overly sensitive about "race" now?
    i totally agree. i am lead to believe posters moderators become frightened when race is the topic, people openly disagree, and it becomes uncomfortable. i believe this then leads to statements like "enough already" or "i'm tired of....", for lack of willing to deal with it. as posters, we all are aware that we can go to another bb that is better suited for our individual tastes. i'm not implying those who are uncomfortable are racist (lord no!).... just saying let's talk about what's the root of the uncomfortable feelings when we mention the words "race and nursing" together. maybe we can get to a point when it's not so bad to appreciate, respect and honor basic differences in opinions and move on to something more complex like a race discussion.

    then again, nurses are known to be pushy, rigid people who eat their young. i hope that rumor isn't true.
  4. by   KBaldwinLVN
    originally posted by lasvegasrn
    i am not offended by this thread. i am weary that in this day and age medical professionals still see things in black and white. i am not offended by anything related to race - i've lived it all my life, i've been affected by it all my life. but it does not rule my life or my profession. :angel2:
    ....then why the "amen" after quoting rusty's post of being "tired" of hearing the contents of this type of thread? i'm sorry (in advance) if this sounds like i'm calling you out, i just don't understand your back-and-forth statements.
  5. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by traumaRUs
    I too gotta agree that this thread doesn't serve any useful purpose. Please, moderators...close it. Thanks.

    No useful purpose?

    ...Yeah, though the responses have been more than a few...let's sweep the thread under the rug and close it. That way it's outta-sight and outta-mind and nobody will learn from other opinions and through dialogue. While we're at it, none of the other threads are very useful, so the moderator's should close the whole BB site down. I mean, answering a poll on new grads in the ER is not very purposeful, (that is...In my opinion)....

    Yes...Be gone with what (I believe) does not serve any useful purpose.

    (Yes...a bit sarcastic, but not without respect. Its merely my opinion to your opinion.)
  6. by   Rustyhammer
    Originally posted by KBaldwinLVN



    No useful purpose?

    ...Yeah, though the responses have been more than a few...let's sweep the thread under the rug and close it. That way it's outta-sight and outta-mind and nobody will learn from other opinions and through dialogue. While we're at it, none of the other threads are very useful, so the moderator's should close the whole BB site down. I mean, answering a poll on new grads in the ER is not very purposeful, (that is...In my opinion)....

    Yes...Be gone with what (I believe) does not serve any useful purpose.

    (Yes...a bit sarcastic, but not without respect. Its merely my opinion to your opinion.)
    Perhaps I can enlighten you kbaldwinLVN!
    When you are in the minority and you see a post with the words "white women" or "racism" or "male nurse" or a simular type of phrase then it appears as though there is some type of separation going on.
    This BB is for "ALLNURSES".
    It kind of gets some folks worked up to hear those type of phrases when they have experienced discrimination in the past and now some of our brothers and sisters in the nursing profession are still not past that.
    If we cannot get over it and see and treat OURSELVES with solidarity then how can we hope to have others see us as a group whom they may want to join.
    KbaldwinLVN,
    We have enough nursing issues without having to bring race and sex into the picture.
    I feel topics like this really do serve "no useful purpose".
    Off of the soapbox now.
    Love and Peace,
    -Russell
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    All that from an HISPANIC (partly) RN....I agree w/youRusty. Ty for that! :-)
  8. by   KBaldwinLVN
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rustyhammer


    Perhaps I can enlighten you kbaldwinLVN!
    When you are in the minority and you see a post with the words "white women" or "racism" or "male nurse" or a simular type of phrase then it appears as though there is some type of separation going on.


    ...Yeah...I hear ya, you're right. It does appear like we're separating. But I think its more like we are separate but equal or even better different but alike. We are united because of nursing, but still have differences. Why not discuss those differences so maybe we will in fact understand and appreciate each other a little more....


    It kind of gets some folks worked up to hear those type of phrases when they have experienced discrimination in the past and now some of our brothers and sisters in the nursing profession are still not past that.

    I hear ya hear too. I'm working on getting past some old stuff myself, and I can honestly tell you posting here and on other bb's that allow me to ask questions and state my opinons, has helped TREMENDDOUSLY. I don't want to brush how I feel under a carpet. I know when I do that, it manifests somewhere else in my life.

    If we cannot get over it and see and treat OURSELVES with solidarity then how can we hope to have others see us as a group whom they may want to join.

    When I hear the words "Get over it", I think of someone minimizing the topic at hand. I don't think that's what "you" are doing (???), but that's what I'm reminded of. What if "Getting ove it" involves discussing it and talking about it with others who can relate? We are in the "help" industry....Can you "help" me out? (smile).

    KbaldwinLVN,
    We have enough nursing issues without having to bring race and sex into the picture.


    Yes... We do have a lot of issues on our nursing plates. I believe race and sex is one of those issues.

    I feel topics like this really do serve "no useful purpose".

    I'm sorry you feel that way. From reading some of your past posts (minus the "tired of this" post ) I think you'd contribute quite a bit to the discussion here.

    Off of the soapbox now.
    Love and Peace,
    -Russell


    Thanks for your response Russell (RustyHammer), and peace/blessings to you too. I understand that some may want to never visit or re-hash a topic of this magnitude and can appreciate them not wanting to hear about it again. Thanks for making that a little clearer. I still say another BB may be better suited for those who feel this particular BB is not useful.

    Also, I apologize to Gomer, the original poster of this thread. His post had a little to do with race, but more about a comment made by his peer regarding nursing not being a white woman's profession any longer. Are we getting a little off track?
  9. by   NannaNurse
    Why do they call it race?? I don't remember entering the 'race'...
    People are people and I agree with all the others here...STOP MAKING COLOR AN ISSUE. It always seems to be somebody of ONE color making a statement about somebody of ANOTHER COLOR.
    I'm "white"...or am I??? Here is my family run-down:
    My Dad was Cherokee Indian (as my grandmother who was born on reservation in 1881)
    My Mom was Jewish (as my great-great grandfather who came from Isreal)
    My Husband is Irish (as his great-grandfather who came from Ireland)
    My Brother-in-law is African-American (as his great-grandmother who came from Johannasburg)
    My Cousin-in-law is Korean who came to this country as a 2 y/o child.....So am I really 'white'?? I actually hate that term as it refers to a COLOR....I'm NOT a color.....I'm a PEOPLE!! :kiss And I'm one who LOVES to care for other peoples...that's why I do what I do. It's not a 'career' for me....it's a way of life, part of my soul to be a nurse.
    I don't care if my nurse (when I need one) is male,female or alittle of both....I don't care if they are a 'certian' color or a mixture of many. (insert photo of Ellis Island here and play 'God Bless America' in the background)
    I'm just thankful I am a nurse....PROUD AS HECK...I'm thankful that we have caring, comitted nurses......and I DON'T GIVE A HOOT WHAT COLOR, WHAT RACE, WHAT SEX OR WHAT RELIGION THEY ARE!!
  10. by   Brownms46
    "...STOP MAKING COLOR AN ISSUE. It always seems to be somebody of ONE color making a statement about somebody of ANOTHER COLOR. "

    Wouldn't that be great...a time..when no one makes color an issue.....But unforutanetly I sincerely doubt, that the day will come when color is not an issue! And that day definitely isn't today or any day in the fore seeable future! And anyone who doesn't want to participate, or who doesn't think this thread is useful...please click next door!! I think their talking about who's foot is bigger or something just as important. But please do not try and tell me that racism, and color isn't a problem, or that shouldn't be discussed on this BB or anywhere else for that matter!

    If it's not happening to someone you know and love, or those around you...then count your blessings! Just don't ask me to not be bothered by what I see and hear...and attempt to prevent me or anyone else from discusing it!
  11. by   Dez
    Brownms46 I totally agree with you! I know that when read through these threads I comment on the ones I feel are interesting or "useful". I do not comment on the ones I feel that Im am tired of hearing about.
  12. by   Brownms46
    WOW what a concept..! Thank You DEZ for responding.... Because I was afraid I was writing in greece...and no would understand what I was writing. Glad I decided to take the chance, that I wasn't one of the only ones who thought this made sense. Thank you!
  13. by   Dez
    ANYTIME BROWNIE! I was thinking that the last thread that had to do with racial issues but did not comment. Glad I did this time

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