Nurses from aborad....

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So we are being helped by nurses from abroad../?????

Do you remember how Mcdonalds and Burger king ran out of employies. What did they do? does anyone at McDonalds speak english anymore?

Am I comparing our jobs to working fast food? you tell me.

Why is the ANA allowing foreign Nurses to obtain licenses...???

really thats my biggest question it seems like the ANA is bending over backwards to relive the shortage. when I think the shortage is the best thing for nurses since disposible needles.

matt:) :)

Specializes in CVOR,CNOR,NEURO,TRAUMA,TRANSPLANTS.

Im sorry , your argument just isnt winning the battle with me, maybe it isnt goint to and thats ok. The Forgein nurses that you speak about ,will be and are going to be making the same amount as a starting Nurse, the rate of pay will not change because they have now entered the country. Yes they will have to repay the costs for the flights and visa's but other than that , they will earn the same wages. (Which is more than the 200 a month us for 160 more hours in their own countries)

I could care less what a CEO'S woes are, unless he is a patient of mine, I care only for my patients to have the best patient care possible and if it consists of having a forgein nurse at thier beside then so be it.

As far as Nursing not making what they are worth I totally agree, but If you think for one minute that Im making chump change then think again. Also I didnt enter the field of nursing to become a Millionare, I became a Nurse because it was in my heart to help another less fortunate than myself , and I do so everyday , with a helping hand , a caring smile , and being that patients advocate to the best of my knowledge and ability , and I will contiue doing so everyday that there is a breath in my body.

What will be cured in anytime of the future that will allow nurses to recieve what they are worth, to have the respect deserved, and to be treated with respect by , adm, mgnt, and Drs?

How is objecting to some one not from this country, as a Nurse going to help us but hender us even further? Im not on the side of the CEO's , by any means but Im also tired of working short staffed in unsafe conditions and not being able to do the best care for my patient because "We just dont have the coverage" , I find that unacceptable and I have to chew on it everyday when I have to short a patient on the proper care needed. Its unfair to the patient. I would hope that one day , some CEO gives up the multi million dollar dream house , and the insurance companies pay as they should and the fat cats not becoming fatter, but in the society we live in today I dont foresee the end during my lifetime.What more can be done, What more can I do to encourage someone to enter a feild where we are treated so badly that our own are leaving in droves as we speak? How will the gap be filled...

I wish I had an answer I truly do, but I dont, but if this will temporary elevate some of the tensions then please Load the boat and get them to the boards.

Zoe

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Alan, I'm sorry, I've got to pick on the thread title...

When I read, "Nurses from aborad" I thought, damn! Another foreign country that I have no clue where it's located! Man, my geography sucks! Where the heck is Aborad? I was actually going to do a search until I came in here. :chuckle :lol2:

Carry on. :D

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lol,,, true I spelled it wrong. somtimes I view spelling as a lost art. If I really cared I guess i could use spell check.. I'll fix it.

matt

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sjoe, we do have American nurses here. Though, I don't know if it counts because it's Canada. But you can't tell me there aren't a lot of American nurses going overseas to work. A friend is currently in SArabia.

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I worked with some INCREDIBLE nurses from the Philipines. I was the only American citizen at my last job before this one. They were WONDERFUL nurses. But they had been sponsored by the agency that brought them to America.

I don't know how overtly the agency threatened them, but let me tell you that none of these nurses had any self-esteem worth anything. I was a BAD influence as far as the agency was concerned, because I kept encouraging them to leave and find better jobs. Why?

The nurse who precepted me? The one with five years' experience there? AND a BSN (not that I think that matters, truly, but there is no way to say this particular woman was less qualified than ANY other particular nurse)? THAT nurse... Made a full $4.00 an hour less than I was making.

$4.00 an hour is more than $8,000 (eight THOUSAND) a year less money.

I'm all for everybody who wants to be a nurse being a nurse WHERE-EVER they want to be a nurse. But I don't see how it helps ANYBODY when people are willing to work for substandard wages, and put up with substandard working conditions.

Heh heh, I got in there and radicalized as many of the nurses as I could, but I couldn't stand being a profit point for that agency, so I left in less than 4 months.

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Dennie

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Maybe my view is tainted a bit because our foreign nurses are members of the same union with the same rights, and they can only apply for jobs that haven't been filled by nurses already working here. Seems like the problem you all have is with the system, not the foreign nurses.

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Originally posted by fergus51

Maybe my view is tainted a bit because our foreign nurses are members of the same union with the same rights, and they can only apply for jobs that haven't been filled by nurses already working here. Seems like the problem you all have is with the system, not the foreign nurses.

fergus - if you were referring to my post - you got it! Exactly.

I wish it could be that way everywhere. But here, that's the way it went. Plus the nurses I worked with did all the overtime they could physically *possibly* handle, (which again, I don't have a problem with per se) which solved another problem for management

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Dennie

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Short staffing is a facilitys way of saying they will not pay to have a RN work.

Health care orginizations will not pay more unless they have too.

We are in a capitolistic economy:

short supply (should) = increased compensation

Why is it that nursing fails to follow this rule?

(Hint it does follow this rule)

When compensation for RN stress and work (known to some as pratice) is "worth it." Supply will increase and demand will level out.

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Oh Lordie - another subject I don't understand.

Norbert, I didn't follow you - could you please explain about how short supply should = increased compensation and that nursing doesn't fail to follow the rule?

I sort of understand about supply and demand, because, although I don't LIKE it, I can UNDERSTAND how big time athletes and singers and actors get paid so much. But I'm not understanding this bit of it.

Oh *sigh* It's almost 0915 - I was supposed to be at work at 0900 and I'm not. I'm too depressed to shower. I wonder if I should just call in "Funky"

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Dennie

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When demand for something increases because of a short supply, competition for that thing (nurses in this case) should drive up prices. Frankly, I don't think money will get all those nurses back. A lot of places in the US have wages that I consider to be excellent, but it's all relative. I consider 40K a year to be perfectly reasonable for a nurse.

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So my next question is why aren't people working to change the system instead of just stating that immigrants will turn nursing into a MacDonald's profession? Our American nurse actually complained about all the red tape she had to go through to get liscenced and take a job here. Why isn't it the same in the US? Unionize, organize, do something!

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fergus51--I didn't state that no US nurses were working in SA. Some nurses I know have worked there (and they seem to believe that if ANYTHING at all goes wrong in the SA hospital while they are there, "the foreigner" gets blamed for it).

I even made a point of saying that a few countries can and do offer more money for certain specialties (and that includes SA). BUT I haven't seen any indication that people in those countries are complaining about US nurses taking these positions, and I also stated this.

AND the number of US nurses working in SA is tiny, compared to the number of foreign nurses working in the US, as I pointed out.

Look before you leap.

As far as your later posts are concerned, "It isn't just about the money," (though $40K certainly is NOT an adequate income for those of us who live in cities and/or are raising families). Some of us don't choose to be treated like unskilled workers, or dogs, regardless of the pay.

You might check out the other related thread suggested above for further discussion of these issues.

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