Nurses are Pathetic!!

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I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

I just read alot of the coments and I thought I'd comment. N\Pathetic is a strong word but, most of what she writes is true. We really don't support each other, but quitting isn't the answer. Fist of all, alot of your anger should be directed towards the insurance companies. They dictate the financial status of most hospitals system and they are the reason for short staffing and poor working conditions. Yes we need to stand together. On our unit we developed a code H, when a nurse is being belittled by anyone, family, doctor or anyone they can call a code H and all staf in the area comes around them.. Se how quick bad behavior is stopped when there is a crowd around the bully. We do need to support and to continue to do what we can to stop the problems by coming up with solutions and don't stop till you make it better. I love being a nurse and have pretty much seen in all. Union, non-union its all the same, but if it works for you, great. It is the same all over (just moved from NJ to Florida) and it is the SAME. You just have to fight the battles you can and leave knowing you did what you could. Its definitely better as the years go on. Don't give up. Its not always greener on the other side.

I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

You're on the right track, continuing your education, after which you would have choices. All facilities are not created equal. Try a teaching facility where you would be exposed to a whole lot more if that's what you like.

Specializes in ED, critical care, flight nursing, legal.

Why? Because in nursing school she was not not taught to. Unfortunately many of our new grads are comming into the clinical setting unprepared for the reality of the profession. It is very likely that the instructors, many who have little or no "bedside time" have sugar coated the difficulties inherent in the profession and instead of providing a real education on how to deal with these situations are told "it's all part of being a nurse." They are taught to "turn the other cheek" and "suck it up" instead of saying "hey, I am an intelligent and educated professional and I do not have to take the crap you are giving me." Of course, if you do stand up for your rights and self-respect, it is likely you will garner the attention of the administration and be branded a trouble maker. I have been a nurse for more than 20 years, and remember being asked to give up my chair so a doctor could sit down in the CT suite. My ability to "stand up" to his unreasonable demands and tell him to find his own chair did not come from nursing school. It came from "street" experience and my non-codependent, non-subserviant life experriences.

Many nurses are co-dependant and unable to stand together for the benefit of THEIR profession and their professional goals. After working long hours for the nurses in union activities, I have come to the conclusion similar to the original poster. Not all nurses are pathetic, but many are! These same nurse who describe the silent suffering of nurses as "angels" are part of the problem. As a nurse, you would not condone, not tolerate this type of abusive behavior toward your patient, but would for your fellow nurses.

Nurses, as a group, need to grow a collective spine and stand up for their profession. It is a sad commentary that the nursing profession, a profession dedicated to the social, mental, and physical healing of others cannot find a way to heal themselves.

ok, so perhaps i will sound totally naive and very new-gradish, but...

WHY didnt anyone stand up for that new grad? More importantly, why didnt that new grad stand up for herself? Something as simple as "if you have a problem, we can address it without an audience" or even simpler "please lower your tone". She should take it further and complain to anyone that gives her a few minutes of their time. This is ABUSE and the longer YOU tolerate it (you, the new grad, and everyone standing around listening and doing nothing), the longer it will continue.

I find that it really is up to the culture of the floor. I have been fortunate enough to see a nurses hang up the phone on screaming physicians, I have seen nurses file official complaints...i have seen nurses have zero tolerance towards this kind of stuff, and you know what? no one takes advantage of those nurses.

Perhaps it is time to start changing the culture on your floor. I know, its much easier said than done, but you have to start somewhere...

As a Firefighter/Paramedic I adore nurses. They make my job a heck of a lot easier. I was told in PM school to never step on the toes of an ER nurse. That does not mean I have not hesitated to speak with someone I feel is out of line. It means I respect and work with all nurses.

Reading the orginal post, I instantly pictured a nurse that I often worked with when doing my ER clinical. Our program is different than all others in that we are in the field or in clinics for the entire 11 months of school. That equals an average of 800 patient contacts for each student in my class. At the trauma center where we worked, there was a nurse with a similar attitude to the original poster's. She was so burned out, she treated everyone like %$#@, including the patients. The good thing about it, was she would let me start all of her IV's, blood draws and assist the docs (who didn't like her either). While she thought she was getting away with something, my classmates and I were getting some great hands on experience in spite of her. I personally thanked her when we graduated. I even made her smile (which is something she never did)

I am encouraged to see that the overwhelming majority of the list members do not agree with the post. Please know that you are appreciated very much! Keep up the awesome work you do!

I am a college student who just got into the nursing program at Kansas Wesleyan University. To read something like this saying that nurses are pathetic is not a very enticing thing to read. Hearing and reading how nurses do not do things to help better their working conditions and everything else is not satisfying and does not really make someone want to go into the field. I mean I realize that all people in professions have to put up with working conditions and have to maybe deal with people that are well less then friendly but, I agree with some of the others, I do not think nurses are pathetic.

You have identified and are reacting to some hard truths about our profession. Read Susan Gordans Book "Nursing Against the Odds". You are not alone.

Any one who can get over their denial and dysfunction and realize that we (the Nursing profession) are in a hard place can get the the point where they know that Nurses are the ones who have to do something about it. I am working with my Union and on statewide legislation as well as at my work. But anybody can get their own back yard cleaned up first. What would you coach your friend or teenager to do--speak up, be kind, be direct, go to the person who has the power to change it. Understand the the social and economic interests working against you but don't stop at whining and blaming. Take some small piece of what ails you/nursing and make it right.

HAve a good cry, then ask for what you want. This may, for some mean leaving nursing--alot do. Maybe you will just start taking your breaks and meals (try it-- it feels weird at first-then you get it--you feel better and reenegized when you go back to work (remember every one around you can sense your resentment-words need not be spoken). Maybe you will defend the next abuse you see against a coworker, maybe you will hold your criticism af a newbie (remember lateral violence happens because you are stressed out in the first place.) Whattever, you might be clumsy but try doing something towards what you think is the right thing.

Nicely thought out, try again with the Union --Look up Info on "The employee free choice act" If it goes thru you can have card check elections and won't have this experience and you won't have to go thru al the negative stuff employers throw at you to start a union.

Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.
Sry, I've had other things to do than follow this thread. If you do nursing for the money or a "pat on the back." You have other opportunities. Please use the skills you have to find another profession.

I do not mean that things are perfect.

I love nursing!

Yes, it is a calling. That does not mean a 'religious' experience, but a job best left for people who actually like other people more than money.

Just because it is a "calling" for you does not mean it is for everyone else. We need to stop putting nursing into something indefineable or ethereal. There's nothing wrong with going into nursing for very concrete reasons like being interested in science or even m-o-n-e-y. Altruism is all well and good, but it doesn't pay the bills.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Calling people 'pathetic' (as the OP did) doesn't sound so supportive and empathetic to me....

No it doesn't. But it when explored deeper, as indicated in the other posts in which he/she recanted the word, it sounds more like burnout ready to get out and that is something which I'm empathetic and supportive. I certainly will never support the idea that nurses are pathetic, nurses eat their young, or nurses are catty (any more than I will suport that it's a "calling"), but I can read between the lines a bit and sense some serious burnout here.

I don't think "pathetic" is quite the right word, as I'm sure the flamefest so far has demonstrated. "Overly dedicated" might be a bit better.

Working conditions like the ones you described so neatly are the reason 50% of the trained RNs in this country are no longer practicing. Those working conditions are certainly why I've left.

Throwing more money at us while reducing staffing, increasing responsibility, overworking, and looking the other way when we're abused or even assaulted is not going to work. Even if nursing were paid at pro sports or rock star levels, there's no way I'd go back.

Only by organizing can we ever hope to get reasonable working conditions. The problem seems to be that too many nurses think "union" means sweaty guys in wifebeater shirts driving trucks. Maybe if we called it a "guild?"

In any case, unionization = better working conditions. Pass it on.

Specializes in ED, critical care, flight nursing, legal.
Lorster,

Honey, if you think a doctor yelling at you is bad, try working Walmart during the Christmas season. You will find whole new ways of hating the human race. Looking back at some of the things I had to endure as a dept. manager at Walmart makes me wish I had just punched some people in the face and been done with it. To this day, I shop online at the holidays because I actually get claustrophobic in the malls and Walmart.

As for what was written, there is some truth to Lorster's rant. But, for heaven's sakes people, GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!!

While lots of nurses are ranting and raving about how much they hate their job and how much they're getting screwed, your pts are the ones who are sick, getting really screwed by their insurance companies (they are the real evil in healthcare!), losing money from not being able to work, separated from their loved ones, in pain, and now they have an overworked, underappreciated, self pitying nurse standing over them with the enthusiasm of a prisoner in jail taking a shower. OH JOY!!!!

Most of us got into nursing because we love taking care of people and making them feel better. What happened to that? What is with this site these days? All I've seen is negativity. No one seems to have a sense of humor or compassion or duty or anything lately. I'm giving this site two weeks to get out of it's funk or I'm leaving it for a while. :o

And to those people who agree with Lorster about everything and can't seem to find something good at your job, LEAVE IT! Not all of us feel that way and quite frankly, I'd rather work short than hear a bunch of b*tching while I'm trying to do my job. :nono:

Well, get used to working short! It is nurses like you, who think that anyone who is used by the system to the point that they can't take it anymore (i.e burnout) should leave instead of voicing legitimate concerns and feelings about their work environment. The irony is that if it were a patient expressing these same concerns over their health issues, you would encourage and support them. But not your nurse collegues. They're just "bitching."

Statistics on the nursing profession show that approximately 20% of new grads quit the profession within the first 5 years; that there is a significant portion of nurses with active licenses who are not in clinical practice; and that the concern over the nursing shortage will persist despite all attempts to increase the number of nursing students. Why is that? Are all of those nurses just complainers? Or maybe there are legitimate issues that the profession needs to address. And, support their fellow nurses who fall victim to the system that creates the problems.

I believe nurse would be better served if they recognized the power they have if they banded together for the benefit of the profession. Unfortunately, time and time again, they instead turn on each other, and like you, blame the victim. Something you would never do if it were your patient, but are more than willing to do for your fellow nurses.

Specializes in ED, critical care, flight nursing, legal.
I don't think "pathetic" is quite the right word, as I'm sure the flamefest so far has demonstrated. "Overly dedicated" might be a bit better.

Working conditions like the ones you described so neatly are the reason 50% of the trained RNs in this country are no longer practicing. Those working conditions are certainly why I've left.

Throwing more money at us while reducing staffing, increasing responsibility, overworking, and looking the other way when we're abused or even assaulted is not going to work. Even if nursing were paid at pro sports or rock star levels, there's no way I'd go back.

Only by organizing can we ever hope to get reasonable working conditions. The problem seems to be that too many nurses think "union" means sweaty guys in wifebeater shirts driving trucks. Maybe if we called it a "guild?"

In any case, unionization = better working conditions. Pass it on.

Amen! More unionized nurses mean better working conditions. Unfortunately many nurses feel nurses are "unprofessional." I don't know about you, but airline pilots, architects, police officers, and many other "professionals" are unionized. The sooner nurses realize the benefits of being in a union, the sooner the profession will be on the road to improving their working conditions.

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