No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - page 33

by TheCommuter Asst. Admin

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I am assured that some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves, "Duh! This topic is old hat. We already know there's a glut of nurses in many parts of the country, so why are you writing about this?" Here is my reason... Read More


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    You make some very good points AOx1 and I believe you are right in general. However, they do need to decrease the number of schools pumping out new nurses and should start with the private for profit ones in my opinion. This over saturation will do nothing but leave people with huge debt and no job and drive down wages. Although it sounds like you are being frank with your students I know that many are not and continuing to shout about the nursing shortage.
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    CrunchRN, I would like to see fewer, higher-quality nursing programs. My students attend clinicals at a local hospital, and another school is on the floor at the same time. Their instructor is never there, and instead hangs out in the cafeteria. My students get to do so much more, because the staff knows that I am right there with my students. This whole thing saddens me, because I work 50+ hours a week as an educator, plus 4-6 shifts a month in my practice area, to make sure that the education I provide is current and relevant. I have given so much of myself to this profession. I am just weary of the nasty negativity constantly directed at academics. I am a nurse, I am a researcher, I am an educator. I treat every member of the healthcare team with respect, from the janitor to the CEO, and I don't value a CNA less than the CNO. It would just be nice to come here and not see constant attacks from fellow nurses. The site is called "allnurses," and nurse academics should also be welcome.I thank you for listening, CrunchRN. It means a lot to not be dismissed just because the opinion comes from a different nursing specialty.
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    You are right. I am guilty of painting all "faculty" with the same brush and i know plenty that are wonderful. It is just frustration with the way things are going and the results of that. However, in future, I will try to modify my statements not to include all faculty.
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    I graduated with my BSN in '07 from a University in Virginia. You know what I did? I moved to Wyoming and took a job doing med/surg. Got two solid years under my belt then switched to psych and joined the Nurse Corps. Advice I would give new nurses...open your options. Look around the country..there are places with a lot of openings, but maybe not right where you are. Get your experience somewhere, then you make yourself so much more valuable. Places like Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska. If you want something you go get it. If you have kids and a family and can't move, well..that is a decision you made to have kids and a husband. We all make decisions.
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    I think you purposefully misconstrued what Esme said. The institutions, in general, appear to not being honest with students. Perhaps her wording could have been better. but the meaning was obvious to those without an axe to grind.
    Quote from AOx1
    I am a greedy academic. In fact, I am so eager to line my pockets that I completed my doctorate and now earn about the same as when I worked the floor full time. I enjoy my pursuit of money so much that I make it a point to work numerous unpaid hours to mentor nursing students, find them resources, remediate poor performance, and help them excel. Oh, but the rewards are so great! Each and every time I log on here, academics are blamed for: perpetuating the nursing shortage, lying, being evil/out to get students, being lazy, egomaniacal, out of touch, etc.

    All of our graduating class had a job. There are still jobs in rural areas where we live, and some rural facilities still have tuition reimbursement. We are honest with our students and encourage them to be educated about the current state of nursing, cautioning them that in other areas of the country, they might not find work. I don't know the solution, but it isn't to attack or blame an entire segment of the nursing profession. Without the lying, pocket-lining academics, not of us would even have a license.

    The economy is terrible. Many fields aren't hiring. Should we just close all colleges? As consumers of education, first start by doing your own research. Are jobs available in your area? Are you willing to work any shift, holidays, weekends, or any area if jobs are scarce? Let's just shut down all degree paths with a surplus of graduates! Sorry to those of you planning to become English, theater, communications, arts, education, or psychology majors, but you are no longer allowed to get degrees. No paternalism, there!
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    I graduated with my BSN in '07 from a University in Virginia. You know what I did? I moved to Wyoming and took a job doing med/surg. Got two solid years under my belt then switched to psych and joined the Nurse Corps. Advice I would give new nurses...open your options. Look around the country..there are places with a lot of openings, but maybe not right where you are. Get your experience somewhere, then you make yourself so much more valuable. Places like Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska. If you want something you go get it. If you have kids and a family and can't move, well..that is a decision you made to have kids and a husband. We all make decisions.
    It's great you were able to up and move halfway across the country to take a floor nursing job. That option is not available to many.

    I was interested in the way you worded...."If you have kids and a family and can't move, well..that is a decision you made to have kids and a husband".... I would say those people chose to put life before a job. Personally I would have said they chose to become a nurse knowing their employment options were limited. My philosophy is, "I go to work to have a life. I don't have a life so I can work."
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    I agree with this statement. Sometimes it's less about what you know, and more about who you know. Any job seeker in a competitive employment market will be better off if (s)he has a network of insiders who are willing to vouch for them and 'put in a good word' with a loud enough voice so the hiring managers, recruiters, and HR folks will listen.
    My take on current hiring is that graduate nurses of today are paying for the sins of those in the past.

    After enduring ten or more years of hiring new/inexperienced nurses only to have one in five or even a higher ratio leave/dismissed in <two years for reasons ranging from poor skills to " I didn't go to nursing school for this...", hospitals are now for the most part being very choosy whom they take on. Promoting from within and or hiring those with internal references may not be foolproof, but it does seem better than the needle in a haystack approach of old.
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    HM..are you saying I put my career above family? I am confused by what you are saying? Because I did not do my life the exact same as you then I am putting work above family? My point was if you make the choice to get married and have kids then that may limit job options in nursing due to the fact that you may have to work at only one specific hospital or clinic. I am not saying that one is "better" than another. I am saying when you are more flexible (married or not) then you may be more likely to have more job options. Nothing more nothing less. Just because people choose to live different than you does not mean they have no life.
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    HM..are you saying I put my career above family? I am confused by what you are saying? Because I did not do my life the exact same as you then I am putting work above family? My point was if you make the choice to get married and have kids then that may limit job options in nursing due to the fact that you may have to work at only one specific hospital or clinic. I am not saying that one is "better" than another. I am saying when you are more flexible (married or not) then you may be more likely to have more job options. Nothing more nothing less. Just because people choose to live different than you does not mean they have no life.
    I didn't say anything about what you did except it was great you could up and move that far away to take a job. As I said, that option is not available to many people.

    When you said if you can't move away to take a job due to your decision to have a spouse or kids you sound like you think they should have thought that decision through even more.

    Choose to live differently than me? Tell me o wise one, how do I live?
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    Quote from morte
    I think you purposefully misconstrued what Esme said. The institutions, in general, appear to not being honest with students. Perhaps her wording could have been better. but the meaning was obvious to those without an axe to grind.
    I would disagree. I read the words and took them literally. I find it just as offensive to say academics are liars as I do when people state that LPNs are inferior to RNs or ADNs are inferior to BSNs or that A students make better nurses than B students. We see broad generalizations on here frequently that denigrate one group of the profession. If someone states that academics are liars and responsible for causing oversaturation of the market, then I certainly have the right to come here also and state that the majority of us are in academia not just here to keep our job or to line our pockets, but because we care about the profession. I know of no schools locally who are insisting that students are guaranteed a job due to a "nursing shortage."


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