MD was angry I questioned him.

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Almost time for shift change, I admitted a very young male who was very confused but pleasant. Hooked him on tele and noticed his heart rate was very irregular it would be as low as 50s to SR to as high as 120s-150s at rest. EKG was done and was uremarkable. No cardiology consult was put in the order. No H&P was documented since he was very out of it when brought to the ED the night before. BMP was also unremarkable except for k of 3.0 and ammonia level of 48umol (which in our hospital is considered critical value). Looked at the ED documentation and pt was given 4 doses of Latulose and no repeat ammonia level was done and also no documented repletion of K was done. I tried paging the doctor who admitted the pt but I already know he won't be calling me back since it was already past 1900 and I also called the on call MD for that night but I know I won't be hearing any call back anytime soon. So the best I could do at that time was document all my findings and my attempt on calling both the hospitalist and the on call. I also told the night nurse to page the on call again if she doesn't get any call back within the hour.

I came back the next day, and the nurse reported to me that his heart rate went as low as the 30s and his lactulose level was still 48 after giving one dose last night. K was also still at 3.0.

I text paged the MD of the situation. No call back after 30 mins. I call paged the MD 2x since I thought that it was critical that the MD be notified of the pt's heart rate dropping to the 30s.

MD finally called me back and told me that he will be discharging the pt today to the psych facility and almost hung up on me as soon as he finished his sentence. I told the MD of what happened last night and that his K and ammonia are still abnormal. He told me he's not at all concerned about it. At first I thought I was imagining things. I mean yes I only have 2 years of nursing experience vs. how ever many years he's been practicing, and the thought of questioning him I thought was insane! But it still bugged the crap out of me. At that time I was very nervous and braced myself for whatever's about to happen. I repeated myself and told him that maybe his heart rate was all over the place because his K was low. He said "well he can just get K supplement at the psych facility", I told him, I don't think the pt was safe to be DC with such erratic heart rate and maybe the pt will benefit for a cardiology consult. I also told him maybe his high ammonia is contributing to him having altered mental status. I can already tell he was very pissed and annoyed. He told me well go ahead and and put the consult in but want him DC today!

To make my story short. Cardiologist saw the pt and told me that the pt was not safe to be discharged and was glad I insisted on consulting him. Turned out the pt was in junctional bradycardia and that if the pt was DC'ed at the psych facility, there was a big change he'd code and be sent back here or the ICU.

My question now is, why was the primary physician angry at me? I feel like I did the right thing. I did not disrespect him or was aggressive in anyway.

He didn't respond because he's a jerk (sorry for profanity). You did the right thing. And p.s. Psych would not accept him with those labs

This was not the first time this specific DR. had ignored me. He notoriously known for not really caring about his pts. When we do 10am rounds all he would say is "I'm discharging this pt." "He can stay 1 more night".. like no discussions as to what is needed to be done so the pt can be discharged or any progress for this pt, or no explanation at all why he thinks the pt needs to stay 1 more night as a matter of fact NO DISCUSSIONS AT ALL. He'll just say who will be discharge today and who needs to stay another night or two. Why he's still working at our hospital, I don't know. One time we had to call a code sepsis on one of his pts, he didn't even show up! We had to call another MD to give us orders. I really did want to call the MD supervisor when this happened but our unit secretary said that before I call the MD supervisor, I need to notify that Dr. that I'm going to report him. I don't know why we have to do that, but because I wanted to avoid additional tension/drama, I just let it go.

just curious - what did the night nurse do about this patient?

Intervention wise, she did another EKG when tele reported that pt's heart rate dropped down to the 30s but it was normal. She didn't call a rapid on him since he was asymptomatic, it was a brief drop and didn't stay that low.

Specializes in NICU.

Wow- HIGH FIVE for advocating for your patient, even in such an intimidating situation with the MD!!! I can still remember at 2 years being somewhat terrified at times to do what you did, but uncomfortable is part of the territory.

I'm presuming that the MD was irritated 1. because he would have to possibly do more work and 2. that he was "certain" he knew what was going on with the patient and that he was being questioned about something he was "sure" was nothing. It sounds like you did everything correct from making the calls to the MDs the day before and documenting (ALWAYS document everything) and communicating all the information in report. Only other thing I would have done is fill my charge nurse/director in about the situation (which you may have done). If nothing else, this is an example of how being a good advocate for your patient and trusting your gut can truly make a difference. Your patients are fortunate to have you caring for them!

This was not the first time this specific DR. had ignored me. He notoriously known for not really caring about his pts. When we do 10am rounds all he would say is "I'm discharging this pt." "He can stay 1 more night".. like no discussions as to what is needed to be done so the pt can be discharged or any progress for this pt, or no explanation at all why he thinks the pt needs to stay 1 more night as a matter of fact NO DISCUSSIONS AT ALL. He'll just say who will be discharge today and who needs to stay another night or two. Why he's still working at our hospital, I don't know. One time we had to call a code sepsis on one of his pts, he didn't even show up! We had to call another MD to give us orders. I really did want to call the MD supervisor when this happened but our unit secretary said that before I call the MD supervisor, I need to notify that Dr. that I'm going to report him. I don't know why we have to do that, but because I wanted to avoid additional tension/drama, I just let it go.

This incompetent, non-collegial dinosaur needs to go. Get your Sup involved, she has to get the Chief of the service, Admin, logs must be kept with all of these examples, and he must be shown the error of his ways.

He might suicide, for which I'd be sorry, but maybe he can be helped with counseling upon threats/requirements from his boss. He does have a boss, he is only human. He's got to be reigned in before someone really gets hurt - including him.

Middle age nuttiness? Family or financial trouble? Sorry but too bad. He needs to address his personal issues and straighten up and fly right. He does not get to bring his personal problems to work.

Intervention wise, she did another EKG when tele reported that pt's heart rate dropped down to the 30s but it was normal. She didn't call a rapid on him since he was asymptomatic, it was a brief drop and didn't stay that low.

No trying to reach the doc or hospitalist?

Thank you for writing this, and as many have commented before...you did the right thing and advocated for your patient. So many times, it is very nerve racking to have to approach a doctor and report your concerns (especially when it questions their orders). I do find my inner strength to do so because I tell myself, even if I question them and they get angry, I would be doing the right thing and all that I can to care for my patient. I appreciate other nurses feel the same way. :)

Great job!! Nurses like you save lives. Nurses are the front line in medicine and all nurses know that we are literally the difference between good or bad outcomes. Kudos for not being intimidated by the MD.

That's one of the best things about being an ICU nurse. Dr's, for the most part, have learned that ICU nurses will get in their face, if needed, and usually we have the full support of our Intensivist. And Intesivists out rank pretty much everyone.

Years ago I gave the Director of Surgery an earful for trying to go into my reverse barrier nursed, immune compromised patient's room without washing his hands or putting on mask, gown and gloves. He had a group of Med students with him and all he said (to the students) as he washed and gowned up was "never cross ICU nurses, they bite!"

Specializes in PeriOp, ICU, PICU, NICU.

Why he was upset is irrelevant. You did the right thing and possibly saved a life! This physician sounds like he was passing the buck and dumping the problem the next person and could care less what happened to his patient.

Specializes in Med/Surg/.

Because I have dealt with Dr.s who are the rear end of a Jackass I will say this and you then do not need to be so concerned with what you did. It sounds like you did all the appropriate steps,got him looked at by Cardio and hopefully helped corrected his numbers. Do not be overly concerned about the reaction of that Dr. You don't need to wonder why he was "angry" with you as it is his demeanor and you will not change it. You were right in your medical assumptions and that is all that matters. Pat yourself on the back and smile!

The primary care physician was angry.. because he does not want do his job. He turfs everything to the hospitalist... who (depending on the hospitalist) will do as little as possible.

They do not give a rat's patooti about the patient's outcome.. they both get PAID anyway.

PCP was ticked because you were making him accountable.

Keep up the good work.

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