LPN vs RN - serious question about differences
- 2Jun 14, '07 by jjjoyI know this is a touchy subject and I don't want it to become a flame war. As someone with RN training and no LPN experience, I'm still honestly confused by these two different nurse licenses.... so here goes...
Many say "a nurse is a nurse" but that's not always the case. There is different designation and licensing for RNs and LPNs. And facilities often advertise "LPN openings" - but if a nurse is a nurse, why would they ever advertise for just LPNs? Wouldn't it just be a nursing job which either an LPN or RN could fill? And then other positions would be RN-only.
Unless an RN has been an LPN, it IS confusing to RNs what LPNs are and aren't legally qualified to do and why they aren't legally qualified to do certain things yet often function in an almost identical role RNs (eg only can't do initial assessments and hang blood in acute care). We all know that many LPNs have great assessment skills and technical skills and critical thinking skills. A patient wouldn't recognize any difference between a good LPN and a good RN. In that case, "a nurse is a nurse."
But then what more exactly did the RN learn in their program to allow them to qualify for significantly more pay than LPNs in most facilities? Why ISN'T an LPN allowed to do an initial assessment or hang blood? It wouldn't take that much extra formal training to bring them formally up to speed on these tasks and include that in their scope of practice. So what more does the RN education have to offer in regard to actually practicing nursing in most settings?
- 0Jun 14, '07 by RNDreamerJust subscribing to this thread, very interested to see the answers, opinions,etc to your interesting questions...not a nurse yet so the only thing I would be able to contribute are guesses...my only questions to the OP is when you say facilites are you only referring to hospitals or are you also including nursing homes, home health, etc? To everyone else, I am interested in what kind of classes are the LPNs missing that prevent them from being able to do the initial assessments in hospitals?
- 2Jun 14, '07 by classicdame GuideThe scope of practice for both RN's and LVN's is determined by the state in which they practice. LVN's do not receive the same level of education as RN's. The pharmacology and math even differs. In my state the RN must do the initial full assessment, design the plan of care (including teaching) and may start IV's. The LVN does a focused assessment, carries out the plan of care and needs certification from their employer before starting IV's (or whatever the facility policy calls for). On the floor the LVN and RN may have similar duties, but the RN has more responsibility. Until I got the extra education I did not see the difference either, but believe me, there is plenty of difference in the education and in expectations.
- 8Jun 14, '07 by ohmeowzer RNi am a LPN 21 years and just graduated with my RN . i always thought there was no difference between RN and LPN. I was very wrong. there is a big difference( which was a surprise to me) .. the critical thinking skills and the responsibiltiy of the job. i had to learn a whole new way of thinking being a RN student. which i why i took kaplan to try to change my thinking into RN mode. i loved being a LPN for all those years , but i wasn't able to do all for my patients that i wanted to be able to do being a LPN, such as pushes, hanging blood, hanging other meds beside antibotics. i came to a point in my career that i wanted more. it took me 5 years to get my degree , but i did and now i am just waiting on my att for my boards.... sorry i rambled
- 0Jun 14, '07 by Melody48_MSNEdI have been an LPN for 10 years and I have just completed my ASN, waiting for my ATT as well. In Florida where I work as an LPN I can do IV pushes, hang blood, the blood just has to be checked off with a RN. My scope of practice is only very slightly limited. But as an RN my options are more wide open! I can work in ANY area of the hopsital instead of now. I am more marketable
- 1Jun 15, '07 by nursemikeI work with some LPNs who have much more nursing experience than I do. I joke that my "delegation" consists of asking the LPN what she wants me to do, and doing it. But our Nurse Practice Act states differently, and of course that's the law. Still, I'd be stupid if I didn't work collaboratively with these very good nurses.
My workplace actually prefers RNs, and my unit especially has fairly limited openings for LPNs because a number of our beds have to be assigned to RNs. I would imagine the only reason an LPN would ever be prefered is money--at my facility, a starting RN makes almost twice what an LPN does.
- 1Jun 15, '07 by danielleRN76I was an LPN for 7 yrs before becoming an RN and I never really thought there was much difference until I was an RN. My education was much deeper and my critical thinking was amazingly different once an RN. I was a darn good LPN, but I was more task oriented, where as now I see the big picture, can see more of the deeper issues and underlying conditions and how they relate to the here and now of a pt's status. It's also a very legal issue, accountability and responsibilty and so on.
- 0Jun 15, '07 by jjjoySo, for those of you who worked as LPNs and then became RNs, looking back, would you make any changes to LPN training or to the LPN role to more clearly distinguish between the two roles and responsibilities?
Can you point out any specific aspects of the RN program that especially brought home the differences you now perceive?Last edit by jjjoy on Jun 15, '07
- 0Jun 15, '07 by danielleRN76That's a hard question. I also had 7 yrs maturing that I did in general between the two. I also worked in long term care for the first 4 years, switching to acute care about the time I started back to school for my RN. I do wish the differences were more clearly defined. I recently had to precept a new grad LPN, and even with my experience as an LPN, it was tought to know what she could and couldn't do. (Each hopsital has specific rules as well as statewide rules.)