LPN/RN Rumble - page 3

Hello everyone! I would like to know if anyone has had a similar problem to mine and how you handled it. Well, here it goes... Last week, on break, I was talking to a friend of mine that works... Read More

  1. by   RNDreamer
    what does UAP stand for?


    Quote from ChristyMNOP
    I think this was an insensitive and catty remark meant to hurt your feelings and belittle you. Don't let it.
    That being said, I am in nursing school (bsn) and honestly I'm always surprised at how the school aspect teachs us would-be RN's to look at LPNs. For example, where I work as an intern LPN's work alongside RN's and do similar things, save for a few procedures/policies. However, in testing, a lot of questions are similar to "you have an RN, LPN, and UAP on the floor, who can do what? and the answer is always have the LPN get a urine sample or something simple and task oriented-when I know in reality many LPN's do lots of critical thinking/assessment duties. I guess its another case of school vs. reality but I think some of my classmates get the feeling that LPN's are not good nurses from this kind of question. Really sad.
    Don't let her get to you!
  2. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from NYDreamer
    what does UAP stand for?
    Unlicensed assistive personnel.
  3. by   RNDreamer
    thanks
  4. by   nursemike
    I've been lucky to work alongside some very good exeprienced LPNs, and more recently some very good novice LPNs. A nurse is a nurse. We have far more in common than we have differences.

    I've been a bedside nurse for almost two years. I've seen first-hand what a demanding job it is. I have nothing but respect for anyone who can do it well.
  5. by   morte
    you are allowing her to "rent" space in your head.....dont turn it into a lease//////
  6. by   P_RN
    :yeahthat:

    I love it.

    This "conversation" has gone on for the past 60 or so years. NURSE means NURSE. Period, end of topic. No rumble, no grumble. Just NURSE.
  7. by   brendamyheart
    Quote from morte
    you are allowing her to "rent" space in your head.....dont turn it into a lease//////
    Great point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. by   BookLoverLPN
    I remember when I was fresh out of LPN school I scored a job at a hospital working the night shift. Growing up poor this was a great accomplishment. I graduated high school also with a 4.0 (ok, a 3.8 hehe) but I didn't have the money to go to school. I could barely afford a piece of paper (yup, that poor). The ONLY reason why I got into nursing was because my friend told me that the vocational school will allow me to pay for my schooling post graduation. Let me tell you, I LOVE being an LPN.

    Anyway, back to what I was saying. I was working on the night shift and I really wanted to help all the RN's. I was talking to one RN to just get some insight and I mentioned something about wanted to obtain my RN so I can get more involved with the nursing career. This was her response, "Yeah, you really should get your RN. I don't know why you didn't before because LPN's are just glorified CNA's." Now, I have nothing against CNA's but I studied my a s s for a year. I'm a NURSE not a NursING assistant!

    You're a nurse and you care for your patients. That's all that matters. She obviously isn't happy with herself and just takes it out on the people around her. Be above her. Don't be spiteful. When you cross paths just kindly smile. I can guarantee that not all RN's feel that way. Most RN's have been LPNs, so they know how hard you really work.

    Continue to be a great nurse.
  9. by   anonymurse
    RNs and LPNs are in the same boat. They have the same problems. They have the same needs. And they're never going to see any improvement until they unite on terms of equality as professionals. Without LPNs, RNs are just too small a voting bloc.
  10. by   kstec
    This rumble continues because of the example I am going to give. And yes I developed hard feelings over this. I work at a clinic in family practice and internal med as a LPN. Well my boss wants me to float the specialty areas, which I think is great. She said the only area I might have some difficulty in is OB. So I got on this in house web site for classes that are offered (to hospital and clinic employees) and I saw a class called Basic Fetal Monitoring. Well when I proceeded to read it, it said for RN's who work in the clinic or hospital environment. Nothing about LPN's. So I called the person in charge and asked if I could take it. She proceeded to tell me that "yes" I could but it's meant for RN's because LPN's aren't aloud to read them. I didn't ask about the details of what I can and can't do, I just asked if I could take the class. So as a LPN, I'm not considered as smart as a RN, but when I try and get more knowledge even in my own facility, I get basically rejected. The more I'm in the health care field the more I'm convinced I will not get my RN. I don't even know if I'll remain a LPN. This hierarchy stuff is for the birds and I've only been a LPN for less than a year and I'm already sick of fighting city hall. I know not all RN's have a negative attitude towards LPN's, but I know if I want to put into that category of not liking someone because of their title. I'm grateful for the housekeeper that cleans, the secretary's who make appts. and the RN's who are nice enough to mentor me, etc. As the saying goes "Why can't we all just get along?"
  11. by   caliotter3
    An older RN who was hired to be the overall house supervisor was engaged in a four or five way conversation with several nurses (including the DON and me) one day at shift change. She denigrated the fact that I was in a BSN program at the time, making a very unprofessional remark about the BSN degree. I found this very interesting inasmuch as I had already observed her lack of competence and professionalism. Her idea of being the house supervisor was to find a nook or cranny in the facility and sleep during night shift. Then she wrote up the champion sleep queen. The sleep queen reported the supervisor to the DON and got her fired and continued her practice of sleeping rather than working. Just goes to show you that those who should be setting the example sometimes need to look at themselves first. I did not say one word to her in response to her insulting remark about BSN. After all, one of the reasons, I had been hired at that facility was b/c I was in school for a BSN. And I sometimes know when it is better to keep my own mouth shut. This person only made herself look bad in front of the DON (who BTW) held a PhD in nursing. The nurse who called you "only an LPN" was only showing her own ignorance.
  12. by   gmp4375
    I work on a unit that the LPN's do the primary nursing. The RN's on the unit do make comments that we are just LPN's. The nurse manager even has said it. I think of it like this... If it was not for the LPN then the RN would not be able to do her job. I will remember as I go on for my education that I will not treat anyone like that. The CNA's I work with are team members, not just aides. Lead by example. I cannot change the RN's view, just my reaction.
  13. by   pagandeva2000
    This is a pet peeve of mine, also. I always wanted to be a nurse, and until I was in my early 20's, I didn't know the difference between LPNs or RNs, in fact, until I started working as a psych aide, I didn't know that there were LPNs and RNs, I always thought that everyone was a 'nurse'. Then, as time went on, I decided that I wanted to be an LPN. Why? I always hated too much theory and unnecessary information (for me). Just get to the point, already...I felt. When I had an opportunity through my job to become an LPN (they sponsored me), I had no idea that I entered into an LPN program that was creating a bridge to the RN. This meant that I had to take college pre-requisites for anatomy 1 and 2, etc. I was thoroughly disgusted sitting in that anatomy class learning junk that I would not really come across again. But, I did it, and now, I obtained my LPN license.

    Now, since I have been an LPN, of course, I was confronted with this silliness. What amazed me is that there is nothing that the RN has that I want. I don't want their title, responsibility, accountability or stress. I admit, I'd love their paycheck, but I don't want the stress behind it, so, basically I am happy. I don't live out of my means, I pay my bills, and I do see a better life for myself overall. I get rude with the ones that continue to make such inconsiderate comments, because they are insecure themselves. And, I have said to them on occasion to get a *nurse* since I obviously don't qualify in their eyes.

    My desire was, and still is to work closely with the RN to achieve the goal of patient care. I continue to read, obtain continuing education certifications and learn from those that wish to mentor me. Please don't think badly of yourself. As you continue to move up (if you choose to), they will STILL want more of you. At times, I think they are angry because they do have a nurse working with them, but is limited in scope of practice, which means that unfortunately, the RN gets more slack. Be proud...you ARE a NURSE.

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