Is this the publics perception of nurses? - page 12

i am a charge RN in a cvicu. yesterday i took care of a man that was pod1 5 vessel cabg on a balloon pump and multiple drips. i had post op'd the pt the previous day so i had developed a repor with... Read More

  1. by   Pretzlgl
    Susy, Susy, Susy - you are so nieve. Do you really expect us to believe that you meant you were reading this material outside of school? You meant the non nursing classes you took in college. This is what I meant when I said that you IMPLY your meanings into your posts. It seems you do this so that later you can bend what you say to fit the situation. You are very narrow minded in your thinking - I am not flaming you, I am only stating my opinion. Do you think you can put yourself in someone elses shoes for just a minute? True knowledge lies in the ability to see beyond oneself, and also to know what you don't know. And, my dear, you have a long way to travel.
  2. by   Pretzlgl
    Oh, one more thing Susy - let me cook that carrot I took from you and serve it to you for dinner - cause I won't play your games anymore.
  3. by   MishlB
    Whether or not the public knows how much education we have is not the point, is it??
  4. by   MissdonditaBsn
    Originally posted by MishlB
    Whether or not the public knows how much education we have is not the point, is it??

    probably not, but this whole thread started because Austin Heart had a patient who was shocked because he didn't know that you needed to have a college degree to be a nurse.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    yep that was the initial concern that prompted the original poster to start this thread. so as we can see it is a HUGE issue, near and dear to all our hearts.
  6. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Pretzlgl
    Oh, one more thing Susy - let me cook that carrot I took from you and serve it to you for dinner - cause I won't play your games anymore.
    Whatever darling. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If people can state that all the non-nursing courses are horribly irrelevant, a waste of time, etc I sure as hell can come out and state MY opinion that I found them valuable because they taught me other things BESIDES nursing. If someone then tells me I could've learned all about that by life experience, and I respond that my life experiences are inherently limited and there are OTHER THINGS beyond my backyard, and you're upset by that?

    It's called a difference of opinion Pretzlgl, and your wrapping my words around your pre-existing barriers and emotions related to this issue. The issue of non-nursing courses is separate from the BSN issue here. Some people find non-nursing courses stupid, I found them valuable, and subsequently, had to defend that opinion here obviously.

    And it wasn't a game, darling. It was I felt that after I posted it, I figured someone would come along and pick my words apart, rather than reading the entire post and gaining meaning. This wasn't supposed to be an argument, so why are you turning into one?
  7. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    Excellent post, Missdonita. Well Suzy, then you see why I wish to pursue a BSN but NOT pay big $$$ for classes I have NO interest in or have NADA to do with my career. It's just my opinion, and I may be wrong, but it is how I feel. Thank goodness, the online RN-BSN bridge program I am pursuing respects that and my experiences a nurse, already. To me, it's about Universities milking millions of $$ a year, not about making BETTER nurses in the long run! Most generic BSN's don't (and can't) do what my online RN-BSN can for me.

    Just curious...what kind of online BSN program are you pursuing, one that respects your experience as a nurse and doesn't cost big $$$...? Someone is still making money.......and what is a generic BSN?
  8. by   Q.
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    I respect your arguments and the articulate way you make them. I just happen NOT to agree much of the time. But I enjoy it nonetheless.
    Likewise, Deb.
  9. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by MissdonditaBsn
    probably not, but this whole thread started because Austin Heart had a patient who was shocked because he didn't know that you needed to have a college degree to be a nurse.
    Oh yeah!!! I forgot!
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    An online BSN in OK where I earned my ADN. It recognizes all my ADN classes, articulates well, and costs MUCH LESS than the BSN's in WA State or elsewhere I have looked into. A GENERIC BSN is the degree offered a student either with no college degree or RN experience, such as the one you likely graduated, Suzy.

    I never said any online program was dirtcheap or easy...They ALL get their $$$, but this is much less costly than the GENERIC route for me and certainly less than the exhorbitant rates of tuition paid in WA State. Also, it takes for granted I am ALREADY a nurse and does not expect me to repeat what I already know as an RN. It works in my busy life, raising kids and working two jobs. Not to mention all the other universities all wanted 15 hours "residency" (outside nursing-related coursework) in "their" school, before I could start the RN-BSN bridge. WHAT A SCAM! See where I come from now?
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Dec 29, '02
  11. by   MishlB
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    An online BSN in OK where I earned my ADN. It recognizes all my ADN classes, articulates well, and costs MUCH LESS than the BSN's in WA State or elsewhere I have looked into. A GENERIC BSN is the degree offered a student either with no college degree or RN experience, such as the one you likely graduated, Suzy.

    I never said any online program was dirtcheap or easy...They ALL get their $$$, but this is much less costly than the GENERIC route for me and certainly less than the exhorbitant rates of tuition paid in WA State. Not to mention they all wanted 15 hours "residency" (outside nursing-related coursework) before I could start the RN-BSN bridge. WHAT A SCAM! See where I come from now?
    Gotchya!! I was hoping I didn't comeoff too crabby...I was just confused!!
    Thanks!
  12. by   Q.
    Deb, you'd probably like our philosophical discussions in school about whether or not "education" is free and available, or should it be if it isn't?

    When writing a group philosophy once, we had to agree on certain terms/concepts. I wanted to state that education is everywhere and everything - if you choose to partake in it. Others argued not and associated "education" alone with formalized schooling, and that learning was everywhere and everything.

    Anyway, it was interesting and I bet you'd probably enjoy the discussion.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    yea Mish and some schools wanted as much as 18 HOURS RESIDENCY before I could do RN-BSN----that is why I say it's about $$$$ and making the world go round. I honestly don't believe it will make me a better nurse than I already am...sure I will learn some things..but things I frankly won't use day to day in WHAT I DO......but necessary for me to advance. It's all about $$$ after all. For them....for us.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Dec 29, '02

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