Is marijuana addictive? - page 4

A couple of us were having this discussion tonight. One nurses says no it is not addictive. I said "well I've know some potheads who couldn't stop smoking, couldn't face life without pot, etc." ... Read More

  1. by   ziggyRn
    portland, I agree...the drug war is not working.
    Seems the drug industry is so entrenched and powerful. Perhaps nothing is working because it is just that.
    But the question has to asked...how can a 'needle in a haystack' be found, when we want it to be ...eg terroism cases
    ...but why can't our nations solve the drug problem, or at least make a dent in it?
    ...the difference between terroism and the drug war is money.
    The fact that we can't get at the big guys in the drug trade is because many of our respective gov't officials must be corrupt.

    Sad, but it has to be true Zig.
  2. by   RoadRunner
    Originally posted by EmeraldNYL
    People who are under the influence shouldn't drive, whether it's alcohol, pot, or legal narcotics. Therefore, people who do drive under the influence should be strongly punished. ... I am personally angered by the fact that my tax money is going to fight a useless drug war which we aren't winning or even making any progress on whatsoever. Especially when pot is actually safer than alcohol-- you can't die from smoking too much pot, but you CAN die from drinking too much.
    I agree with you and with Portland_Guy. It's all about a question of how people are responsible for their own behavior. Besides, I don't believe in repression (the so-called "war on drugs" ) to get people to be responsible, it only makes them guilty or innocent... or lucky if they aren't caught!
  3. by   ziggyRn
    Sure Fergus, it can be seen anywhere. But what i was trying to say is that there is a substantial amount of it.
    I did a search a while back and found an article by the US drug enforcement people...but don't have the link sorry. Anyway they say that Holland's relaxed stance has resulted in it being a major drug route to the US. They blame Holland for contributing to the world's, and in particular, the US problem.
  4. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN

    I'd rather smoke pot than drink alcohol. But, alcohol is legal and pot is not... so... cheers!
    Not to mention against the nurse practice act. They were looking from drug diversion in our OR and busted a nurse who showed up postive for mj in his/her urine. Poor dear had to go to Intervention Project for Nurses for a year. (They also found the one doing the drug diversion and it wasn't him/her)

    I'll probably open up a can of worms here, but it seems strange to me that there isn't any other treatment for your friends.

    Or no better treatment for glaucoma or AIDS or chemo related nausea that they have to legalize marijuana.

    I'm very neutral here, mind you, I'm very very liberal about stuff. But I wonder why pot works where Zofran doesn't for some people.

    Being a child of the 70s, I've smokes it on several occasions.. Hate it. Makes me paranoid, uncomfortable, hungry, tired, analytical. I'm a big enough mess without mood altering substances. LOL
  5. by   fergus51
    First off, sorry Ziggy, I didn't mean to say Australia, I meant NZ!

    I have heard the US say the exact same thing about my province and we have never legalized it. The US "drug czar" was just up in Vancouver talking about how their drug problem is largely our fault and trying to drum up opposition for safe injection sites that have been proposed for heroin users. We also have a very serious heroin problem, but that is a separate issue. It just seems like everything you are saying is already true here when pot is illegal, so I don't see why we should be scared that legalizing it will suddenly cause all these bad things. The bad things are already there!

    I just think when we have really serious problems (heroin, health care funding, murders, etc) and limited resources it seems silly to spend them on pot. Putting an 18 year old in jail for a doobie is not going to impact the heroin trade all that much if you ask me.
  6. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
    Or no better treatment for glaucoma or AIDS or chemo related nausea that they have to legalize marijuana.
    I had a long conversation with a guy at the local DEA office about this about a year ago. He told me that THC is available in pill form by prescription--and has been for at least 10 years--but for some reason, a lot of docs don't seem to aware of this and don't prescribe it even as often as medicinal marijuana.

    It may be the the doc or the patient feels that, if it's to be used for nausea, they just wouldn't be able to keep an oral med down; but why not for for illness-related anorexia and for glaucoma? It seems to me that there wouldn't be the same stigma associated with a pill vs. something you smoke.
  7. by   fergus51
    I really don't care if someone dying of AIDS finds pot works best for them. I am not concerned with them becoming addicted for obvious reasons, in fact not letting them have it seems silly. I mean, we'll give them morphine without a second thought, so who would care about them getting marijuana?
  8. by   ziggyRn
    I agree Fergus, it's a silly waste of resources but I don't think it should be legalised...they should instead stop arresting people for piddly amounts.
    Legalisation means legitimisation...and we don't need more people using it, already got enough problems.
    Here in NZ, recently estimated 10% of workers are supposedly impaired on the job by drugs [excluding alcohol].
    When the cost is added up it's substantial...workers comp etc, lost productivity.
  9. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
    Not to mention against the nurse practice act. They were looking from drug diversion in our OR and busted a nurse who showed up postive for mj in his/her urine....
    Agree! It's not worth losing a license over so, no. I have friends that smoke and if they are at my home they smoke outside or in the garage. I don't brow-beat anyone who smokes it and I just find it slightly ridiculous that we allow alcohol which DOES create a physical dependence but still have marijuana that does not as being illegal.
  10. by   Q.
    How timely.
    I just saw reported on our local news that a school age child gave pot to her teacher as a Christmas present (in Massachusetts). When asked where she got it from, she reported "her mommy."

    4 9 year old boys also were found to have pot in their possession in school and were planning on selling it.

    We have a problem here, kids. I don't think making pot legal will not result in selling it. Hell, viagra is "legal" and it still goes on the street for $50/pill. The point here is ABUSE.

    See my above articles. Not sure I want people running around with pot induced psychoses, among other things. Also don't want to hear about this years down the road when people begin to sue the pot farmers for growing this "harmful" substance (see Tobacco Settlement).

    Society in general is too stupid, too self-serving, too indulgent and too irresponsible to handle pot legally anyway.
  11. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by Susy K
    ..Society in general is too stupid, too self-serving, too indulgent and too irresponsible to handle pot legally anyway.
    I totally agree. We only have to look to alcohol to see that. We have kids sniffing glue and White Out for gosh sakes.
  12. by   Jenny P
    I believe that pot is psychologically addicting, and can be as severe a problem to that person as someone with a physical addiction. I've told people here about my 23 y/o son who is ADHD. He had a drug problem for over 4 years, and the pot was the one drug that he had the hardest time giving up. I now suspect that he was "self-medicating:" the pot would help control his ADHD and the effect of whatever else he was using. I know that he was on speed, LSD, mushrooms, and pot; there were other drugs also, but I don't know what they were (nor do I really want to know them, since I am his mother!). The drug that put him in prison was the pot-- it kept turning up in his urine when he should have been totally clean. After the third trip to the workhouse, he bought a ticket to prison; and THAT is the only thing that cleaned up his act! Being in the "big house" with all of the hardened criminals (plus the fact that he was in isolation 23hrs./day due to overcrowding there) put the fear of God in that kid!

    He has been clean and straight for over 2 years, and is now motivated to do things with his life. THAT was missing also when he was "using;" plus the fact that he lost those years in his life.

    I have seen others who also seemed to lose their motivation and determination when they were smoking dope at certain times of their lives. I don't feel that we should all be driven to achieve (something) all of the time; but when a person would rather just drift through periods (or years!) of their lives instead of being fully aware of it, then it is a problem. Maybe that is why my generation (Boomers) and younger people no longer volunteer; most of the people this age or younger don't know what it feels like to be involved and what a "high" you can get by dong something for others.

    Did I ever try pot when I was young back in the 60's? Yes; and I had a bad reaction to it and never tried again. I'm one of those people who just doesn't react well to ANY drug (even anesthesia!), so why mess with stuff that screws me up?

    One more comment about pot: something I kept arguing with my son about was that he used to say that HIS suppliers had "good" pot, it wasn't cut with other drugs. How the heck did he or anyone else know what was in the pot or how strong or weak it was? That would be the one reason I would like to see it legalized or controlled by the government; so that other substances were not in it (have you heard of the stuff with embalming fluid in it?????
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    Yeah, in the early 80's when I was in high school I heard of cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid. I thought that was the grossest thing I'd ever heard.

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