Is it like this everywhere??? - page 4
Hi guys and gals, I just need to vent and need to find out if every hospital is like this. I love the small hospital atmosphere, and I really like the people I work with, but not this behaviour.... Read More
May 3, '02I'm a nurse's aid at a long-term care facility and it's like that here also!
I've only been working for 4 months now. The aids that have been there longer are so critical of the newer ones. I used to come home close to tears.
I don't want to fall into that gossip rut; I try real hard not to talk about anybody else. Partly because what goes around comes around; partly to listen and absorb and get a feel for the "lay of the land".
I guess each shift has a clique who have decreed that they are the final word on how everyone else works. So and so's too slow. So and so doesn't help enough. So and so screws up too much. So and so doesn't kiss my a$$.
Before getting into the health industry, I worked in offices. I've seen the very same backbiting and gossiping increase significantly especially in the last 10 years. It's all over. We live in a very insecure and somewhat mean culture these days.
May 4, '02I think this is probably universal any kind of work setting. I work for a small hospital and we have a lot of the same stuff going on. The night shift is the worse (I work days). The night shift is suppose to be self scheduling as a trial run. They would like to get our whole unit to self schedule, but night shift is not doing such a hot job. When it is "Jane's" turn to be #3 or #4 to schedule, she will put in requests for like 8 or 9 days off for that pay period. Really ticks the other girls off. So now, I think nights can only request so many days off in a schedule, except for vacation time. But days is starting to have their problems too. A couple of years ago some of the nurses started complaining that they wanted to do 12 hour shifts (we were just 8 hours) so they could have more time off. So, those of us that wanted 12 hour shifts only work every third weekend. I am working 12 hrs shifts (and loving it!!) and every third weekend. Now, everyone has jumped ship on the twelve hour shifts during the week. They want to do 8 hour shifts during the week and 12's on the weekend. That way they can remain on every third weekend. I will be the only full time 12 hour shift person left if everyone goes to eights. Not that I care much, but it sure leaves a lot of holes in the schedule for 3p-7p. I already told my boss that I am not picking up any extra hours. I put in my hours and that is plenty. It will be interesting to see what becomes of all of this. Anymore I go to work, do my job, and come home. I figure what goes around, comes around.
May 6, '02YEP, I hear it a lot especially because I am Agency, the continued comments such as, "Oh you can handle it, thats why you are getting the BIG BUCKS, right?", or, "OO,OH, Big Money walking in!",or, "How much is it that you make now?" I do allow all of this to roll off of me, because I do believe a PLEASANT workplace benefits A-L-L, although I would love to just lay it on them once--nevermind I won't even say it here. HEY JUST TRYING TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING AND HELP OUT IS ALL, GIVE US A BREAK!!
May 6, '02I work in a unionized teaching facility. I have definetly noticed the backstabbing and gossiping has grown worse over the past year or so. Administration and management pit nurse against nurse and it works. We feed right into it. It wasn't like this 5 years ago in my unit. There were many experienced nurses who were friends in and out of the hospital. Now it is so cliquey. There are times I dread going to work when I know I will be working with certain people. It is sad.
May 7, '02I have worked as a Waitress, Bartender, Cook, Laundry, housekeeping and even worked in a gas station once and this backbiting stuff is just universal, it is not only females either, men can be just as bad as women. Doctors are not above it, have had docs come to me to talk about others. The one response I give is I ask if they have discussed this with the other person. The response I get is usually no, and I inform them that I would rather not talk about someone who is not there to defend themselves. I will let people vent, but don't like getting caught up in the gossip.
May 9, '02When I was first promoted to a head nurse position I inherited one of the worst units in the hospital in terms of backbiting, gossiping, and generalized complaining. Four months into this job I went to my old head nurse and literally cried in her office. She told me what she had done a few years before I had started under her: She had called a staff meeting and told the staff that, based on the employee code of conduct, this behavior would not be tolerated as it did not promote communication or collaboration. She made it extremely clear that this was now a performance issue. They didn't believe her at first, so on everyone's quarterly evaluation she gave them all a rating of "Effective, but needs substantial improvement." That shocked them out of this garbage, and for awhile they all hated her, but sooner rather than later started to function as a team.
I went back to my unit and did much the same thing. Within six months the three B's--*****ing, backbiting, and blaming--dropped to a tolerable minimum (You will always have at least one unpleasant person on a unit or shift.) I have had occasion to do the same thing as a supervisor with some of the "Queens." You know the type: They are clinically competent but smitten with an exaggerated assessment of their abilities. I once threw one such critical care nurse out of a code when she was making smug, disparaging remarks about the med-surg nurses (I can push epinephrine when I have to, so the patient didn't suffer any ill effects of her absence.)
It is my personal feeling that when a unit has degenerated to the point where people are dreading to come to work on a continual basis, the manager is not managing. Part of the role is to resolve conflict.
May 9, '02Originally posted by nightmoves
It is my personal feeling that when a unit has degenerated to the point where people are dreading to come to work on a continual basis, the manager is not managing.
May 9, '02I adore my manager, I feel she has always been supportive of me and she is a warm, caring person.
I don't know. BUT I still love my job and things seem to be getting better, on the surface, at least.
Thank you all so much for the great feedback, it has made me feel not so alone.
May 9, '02I go to work to work, I do my job and I do it well. I don't have time to listen to gossip or to spread it. I am always the last to know anything and I like it that way. I stay out of private arguments but will staunchly defend my coworkers against outside "enemies" aka other units. While I am not a stick in the mud, there is a time and a place for everything, being a nurse is about taking the best care you can of someone's child (that's what we all are). Do what you are supposed to do at work, work and you can't get into trouble.
May 11, '02Please don't take this the wrong way, it is just my observation from working in different fields that were women dominated. This type of behavior is almost exclusive to women. Once they start the picking on someone they can't seem to let it go as men can. As for just doing your job and going home, I have watched women that are backstabbing each other, join forces on another branding her as not being a team player because she does not join in the *****ing sessions. I think it is the lazy ones putting the focus elsewhere so they won't be caught not doing a proper job. Again, not being sexiest here.
May 12, '02Hello all fellow nurses...I have a great idea. Why don't all of nurses who are hard workers, positive people, don't care to gossip and generally are great to work with all go work at the same palce? Let me know.
Let's all forge on changing this field one nurse at a time, we are each others greatest support! Have a wonderful weekend all nurses. Feel free to email me and share ideas of how we can change this stigma of the nursing field.
May 12, '02It didn't take me long to figure out who the folks who "stir the pot" were so I could avoid them. In our unit, day shift seems to ***** more than night shift (and the people who've worked there forever so they rarely/never work weekends ***** the most!). Those of us slogging along on the crappy (nights, qo wknd) seem to ***** the least. Funny, huh?
If I'm working weekday shifts, you can bet I'm parked right outside one of my patients' rooms to do my charting, instead of at the desk with everyone else. I mean, I help out, but I just can't stand to sit around and listen to all the crap.
We have one nurse on days who always comes in the room and starts cleaning up (even though you've just cleaned up) when she follows you. Very annoying, but I've learned to ignore it.
We have one nurse who checks the charts, figures out who was working each shift for that pt., and makes sure you filled out every piece of paperwork. If you didn't, she hangs it on your locker with a note so you can fill it out (4 or 5 days later, sometimes after the pt has been discharged!) when you come back to work. The last time she did it to me, it was the post op form for a heart cath/PTCA (I had addressed everything in my nurses notes and had not filled out the form because cath lab hadn't filled out the pre op side). I wonder if she sent a copy down to cath lab for them to fill out?! :roll Yeah, right. She was just picking on me because I'm new. So I filled in what I could remember and wrote, "See nurse's notes" for what I couldn't and sent it out to the floor to be put on the chart. Someone told me the next day it had been hanging on my locker for two days for all the world to see. Maybe someday I'll be sooooo good at my job that I'll have time to take excellent care of my patients AND check the charts to make sure every piece of paper has been filled out!! And when it hasn't, figure out who fell down on the job so I can leave them a note with the offending piece of paper! :chuckle I can only hope...
OUCH! Was that a knife in my back? Kind of smarts.....
May 12, '02I have only been an LPN for a few months, but have been in the "nursing field" for a few years. I have noticed the same trend in all of these post in both positions I have posessed in the last year.
Could it be that we are experiencing a side effect of the nursing shortage? That we are all getting fed up with being overworked and frankly, underpaid? We have all been making sacrifices to continue the quality of care consumers expect by working overtime to even out the staffing needs, and in return we are expecting compensation by receiving time off from work. Thus, with all we are expected to do and all that we expect to be rewarded for is colliding like two trains traveling at top speed toward each other.
I believe it would be to our benifit to suck it up and do what we pledged to do when we graduated from school. I also believe it would do us some good to re-evaluate why we became nurses. We should bring our voices to our local high schools, instead of wasting them picketing in front of hospitals. Lend the future adults of this world a better picture of nursing instead of what scares them away, our bickering and complaining!