Illegal Alien- frustrated! - page 5

Please don't flame me. This is the only place I can comw to to vent and get some ideas on how to get myself back on track. I work with people who are immunosuppressed. I have a particular client who... Read More

  1. by   Ann RN
    I know the cost of healthcare is going up because the hospitals are not getting reinbursed for care. I know raises are not what they should be because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. I know nurse patient ratios are less than optimal because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. I know ancillary services are being cut because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. Yes everyone is welcome here, BUT BECOME A LEGAL CITIZEN AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE.

    I, too, am weary of students judging seasoned nurses. Are we better? In some ways, absolutely. Our knowledge base and experience far outweighs theirs.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Nov 7, '06
  2. by   Ann RN
    Quote from MS._Jen_RN

    Hate the system, not the users.

    JMO
    ~Jen
    I dislike the users because they "work the system" illegally. Do it legally and I'll change my mind.
  3. by   powernurse
    wow!

    wow!!

    wow!!!!!!!!

    i cannot believe that as nurses we need to discuss this as though it is our first concern! our first concern is treating the patient! the human patient.

    ask yourself why you became a nurse in the first place. if i wanted to be a politician i would have majored in political science. while there may be immigration issues and even criminal usage of false documents, when that patient is sitting in front of you your first obligation is to care for their health. let the politicians battle out the immigration and health finance problems.

    i cannot believe that someone mentioned that little girl who got the wrong blood type during her organ transplant! why do you think that americans are more deserving or superior to other nations????!!!!!????? we are not. god created us all equally. i wonder if those of you who think that foreigners are less deserving of those organs would think twice about accepting one of their organs if it were your child in need. hmmmm..... makes you think, doesn't it!

    americans are fortunate enough to live in the best country and i thank god every day that i am able to provide for my family. while nursing is about addressing health, social and psychological concerns we need to do so with caring and compassionate attitudes.

    if there wasn't a nursing shortage in this country, these types of attitudes from nurses wouldn't be tolerated.

    as a 4th generation irish/italian american and registered nurse, i am ashamed to be associated with nurses or other health care professionals that lack the compassion that their careers should be centered around.

    heads should be hung in shame!

    do unto others ....... you know the rest..... :trout:

    Last edit by powernurse on Nov 7, '06
  4. by   LuvMyGamecocks
    I don't like that the system is abused in so many ways. Are these agencies so overworked that they can't verify the validity of documents presented? Why are they allowed to "overlook" citizenship?

    I don't have health insurance. Why? I can't afford it and I make too much for assistance. How is that fair? Especially when the taxes I pay each week would WELL cover insurance premiums...That's not to say I'm not appreciative of the services provided with those taxes (libraries, police, etc) but I don't appreciate having to be a part of providing for those that don't put money into the system, too.

    Would I give the best care I could? Absolutely.

    Would I report abuse of the system if allowed? You betcha.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Nov 7, '06
  5. by   rn/writer
    As a nurse, I avoid looking at the face sheet at the beginning of a patient's chart (that tells about insurance into) and concentrate instead on the person in need before me.

    As a private citizen, I grow increasingly frustrated, discouraged, and outraged at the way the healthcare system is being asked to do the impossible and may, at some point, collapse, in part, because of those who misuse or abuse it.

    As an allnurses.com member, I grow weary of those who are not in the trenches dealing with this on an everyday basis criticizing the opinions or those who are. Behavior is fair game, but opinions and venting are not. If you disagree, state your own opinion and leave it at that. No need to go after anyone else.
  6. by   miabella333
    Quote from powernurse
    wow!

    wow!!

    wow!!!!!!!!

    i cannot believe that as nurses we need to discuss this as though it is our first concern! our first concern is treating the patient! the human patient.

    ask yourself why you became a nurse in the first place. if i wanted to be a politician i would have majored in political science. while there may be immigration issues and even criminal usage of false documents, when that patient is sitting in front of you your first obligation is to care for their health. let the politicians battle out the immigration and health finance problems.

    i cannot believe that someone mentioned that little girl who got the wrong blood type during her organ transplant! why do you think that americans are more deserving or superior to other nations????!!!!!????? we are not. god created us all equally. i wonder if those of you who think that foreigners are less deserving of those organs would think twice about accepting one of their organs if it were your child in need. hmmmm..... makes you think, doesn't it!

    americans are fortunate enough to live in the best country and i thank god every day that i am able to provide for my family. while nursing is about addressing health, social and psychological concerns we need to do so with caring and compassionate attitudes.

    if there wasn't a nursing shortage in this country, these types of attitudes from nurses wouldn't be tolerated.

    as a 4th generation irish/italian american and registered nurse, i am ashamed to be associated with nurses or other health care professionals that lack the compassion that their careers should be centered around.

    heads should be hung in shame!

    do unto others ....... you know the rest..... :trout:
    my point exactly.
    if i remember correctly - it was my option to disclose wether or not i was a nurse . i chose not to. becuase i recently became a member of this site doesnt mean that i recently became a nurse.
    i read a post- i voiced my opinon..
  7. by   UKRNinUSA
    to powernurse who still buys into the propoganda that the USA is the best country in the world:

    Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.
    Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990

    Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960

    Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.

    Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana

    Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.

    Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation

    source: http://cthealth.server101.com/the_ca...ted_states.htm

    I don't see how you can be a nurse and wish to do unto others as you would have them do unto you and not get involved in politics when there is such inequity in our society.
  8. by   TazziRN
    Quote from powernurse
    I cannot believe that someone mentioned that little girl who got the wrong blood type during her organ transplant! Why do you think that Americans are more deserving or superior to other nations????!!!!!????? We are not. God created us ALL equally. I wonder if those of you who think that foreigners are less deserving of those organs would think twice about accepting one of their organs if it were your child in need. Hmmmm..... makes you think, doesn't it!
    I'm sorry that little girl died because of someone's mistake, BUT....if she had survived she would have been on medicaid because of her condition. Do you have any idea what immunosuppressives cost?? Being on assistance would have meant hers were paid for. When my father was evaluated for a transplant the coordinator kept asking about his insurance status. I finally said, "We've told you he's on Medicare, why do you keep asking?" Medicare pays for meds for only two years post transplant. After that the pt is responsible. Not everyone is lucky....my father happened to have a service-induced condition that led to organ failure, so the VA covers his meds 100%. Otherwise he could have been looking at up to $2000.00 per month. If that child had survived, or any other illegal who received a transplant, you and I are picking up that cost.
  9. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from rn/writer
    As a nurse, I avoid looking at the face sheet at the beginning of a patient's chart (that tells about insurance into) and concentrate instead on the person in need before me.

    As a private citizen, I grow increasingly frustrated, discouraged, and outraged at the way the healthcare system is being asked to do the impossible and may, at some point, collapse, in part, because of those who misuse or abuse it.

    As an allnurses.com member, I grow weary of those who are not in the trenches dealing with this on an everyday basis criticizing the opinions or those who are. Behavior is fair game, but opinions and venting are not. If you disagree, state your own opinion and leave it at that. No need to go after anyone else.
    Which is why many of us begged, even pleaded for a forum for experienced nurses to be able to vent and be safe from students and new grads hacking at us. There is no need for sermonizing, period. And a little "walk a mile in my shoes" would serve a lot of students and new grads well before being so quick to judge.
    Last edit by PANurseRN1 on Nov 7, '06
  10. by   rn/writer
    Quote from powernurse
    wow!

    wow!!

    wow!!!!!!!!

    i cannot believe that as nurses we need to discuss this as though it is our first concern! our first concern is treating the patient! the human patient.

    ask yourself why you became a nurse in the first place. if i wanted to be a politician i would have majored in political science. while there may be immigration issues and even criminal usage of false documents, when that patient is sitting in front of you your first obligation is to care for their health. let the politicians battle out the immigration and health finance problems.

    i cannot believe that someone mentioned that little girl who got the wrong blood type during her organ transplant! why do you think that americans are more deserving or superior to other nations????!!!!!????? we are not. god created us all equally. i wonder if those of you who think that foreigners are less deserving of those organs would think twice about accepting one of their organs if it were your child in need. hmmmm..... makes you think, doesn't it!

    americans are fortunate enough to live in the best country and i thank god every day that i am able to provide for my family. while nursing is about addressing health, social and psychological concerns we need to do so with caring and compassionate attitudes.

    if there wasn't a nursing shortage in this country, these types of attitudes from nurses wouldn't be tolerated.

    as a 4th generation irish/italian american and registered nurse, i am ashamed to be associated with nurses or other health care professionals that lack the compassion that their careers should be centered around.

    heads should be hung in shame!

    do unto others ....... you know the rest..... :trout:

    i think i speak for many of us when i say that providing good patient care is our first concern. but that doesn't mean i don't have other concerns as well.

    this isn't an either/or proposition. i can be both a compassionate nurse and a frustrated private citizen at the same time.

    no need to make the assumption that just because i would like to see our heathcare system survive that i can't see the patient in front of me as a person.

    and no need to shame any of us because we voice our opinions. if we act out those opinions on the job, that's altogether different. but coming here to express frustration is perfectly appropriate and may help us keep a calmer demeanor in the workplace.

    it isn't wrong to be frustrated with a problematic situation. if you are offended by the expression of this frustration, you should probably avoid this thread. please don't attack, belittle, or try to shame others for discussing their thoughts about problems for which there are no easy answers.
  11. by   smk1
    Quote from Ann RN
    I know the cost of healthcare is going up because the hospitals are not getting reinbursed for care. I know raises are not what they should be because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. I know nurse patient ratios are less than optimal because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. I know ancillary services are being cut because hospitals are not getting reimbursed for care. Yes everyone is welcome here, BUT BECOME A LEGAL CITIZEN AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE.

    I, too, am weary of students judging seasoned nurses. Are we better? In some ways, absolutely. Our knowledge base and experience far outweighs theirs.
    Can we please not turn this into a student vs nurse thing. THere are other LICENSED NURSES on this same thread who are basically expressing the same opinion as the student that people are quoting. It isn't about the title, just because you aren't a nurse doesn't mean you don't work in capacity to see the same abuses, misuses of the system. Some people just don't view it the same way as others. Personally I think there needs to be reform as well, but I do think that a lot of the ire could be directed at other forms of welfare as well.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from rn/writer
    As a nurse, I avoid looking at the face sheet at the beginning of a patient's chart (that tells about insurance into) and concentrate instead on the person in need before me.

    As a private citizen, I grow increasingly frustrated, discouraged, and outraged at the way the healthcare system is being asked to do the impossible and may, at some point, collapse, in part, because of those who misuse or abuse it.

    As an allnurses.com member, I grow weary of those who are not in the trenches dealing with this on an everyday basis criticizing the opinions or those who are. Behavior is fair game, but opinions and venting are not. If you disagree, state your own opinion and leave it at that. No need to go after anyone else.
    You stated it perfectly. I especially agree with the bold, underlined text. THANK YOU!
  13. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Nurses provided healthcare.

    Healthcare is a limited resource.

    Many people vie for this resource.

    Who pays for the resource provided?

    Who deserves the benefit of the resource?

    How much and what quality of the resource does one particular group vs. another deserve?

    These are all issues of distributive justice related healthcare as a resource. To minimize these questions/issues and say, "why is this our concern as nurses?" is to not CARE. For you see, if you do not "care" about these concerns and you do not ask these questions you won't have the resource to provide. Again, let me stress it's a LIMITED resource.

    It continues to amaze me that as limited as healthcare is of a resource and as providers/facilitators of this resource, so many of us believe that it's distribution should'nt even be a concern to us.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Nov 7, '06

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