I cannot believe a nurse did this...... - page 4
My grandmother in law is a resident at a local nursing home. My husband took my kids to see her today (I was at home with the baby). The nurse there took the cotton packing out of the top of a bottle... Read More
5Dec 30, '12 by sixela21My goal is not to patronize you, although this is an interesting post--when it comes to your children, you have a right to be protective and have certain feelings, but there is a limit to what you allow those feelings to lead you to do. I have also visited family members in nursing homes and worked in them in a volunteer capacity and have seen some shady things, but this does not sound like anything worth ending a nurse's career over. It was a light-hearted (albeit strange) attempt to curry your son's favor and make him laugh, and I'm sure it did just that. I work with children and have also done some "questionable" (although never crossing the line) things to make children laugh. The cotton is not a deadly weapon, and she did not assault him with it. It sounds like your husband shares your somewhat extreme concern over this matter.
Pills are created in the form they are in to avoid hitting the bloodstream like a ton of bricks and causing a shock to your system(reason why you should never crush certain pills or open up capsules to empty the contents). They are time released, so I am sure a cotton ball that happened to be in the same container as these pills (in whole form) would never contain any dose large enough to harm a child unless it was a bottle of powder or crushed pills. Even then, your son would not require medical attention. It is not airborne nor is it anthrax. I would agree with you, however, that a nurse should use better judgement, and in the future never put anything on anyone's face inside of a nursing home unless treating a specific patient. I am curious to know what other things she has done? Maybe this was sort of a last straw for you, as she has done other things that were unprofessional? Please share if she has, but if you are contemplating reporting her off of this one situation, I would say do not waste the time. Your son is ok, and that is the most important thing here!
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2Dec 30, '12 by canned_bread, RNIt's unprofessional, even if it was just vitamin C or something, what if the little boy was allergic to the preservative? It sounds like she just wasn't thinking. That kind of behaviour I would report, if I felt inclined to, to the NUM or DON, not to the nursing board.
14Dec 30, '12 by violetgirlYou are really going to report this? Wow, now I see why nurses are leaving this field. This is so unfair! I am killing myself to finish college nursing vs. teaching... but this is really scary stuff to hear and out of line in my point of view... The poor nurse, just trying to make light of her day and for your kid! Yikes! Are you a nurse? A student? A soft cotton ball, really. Give the nurse some credit please. Yikes!!!!
25Dec 30, '12 by woohAnd if the nurse had ignored the child, she would be reported for not being customer service oriented enough and not entertaining the young visitor.
Really, I'd be way more worried about the germs in that place than any "residue" on a cotton ball. Actually, I'd be way more worried about the germs OP's little darling carried into the place possibly infecting grandma and her fellow residents.
7Dec 30, '12 by Beautiful Mind RN, BSNThe horror, the horror!
But in all seriousness, OP, this is a NURSE we're talking about. The very same one who is taking care of your other family member. The grandma in law. I am sure she has enough knowledge under her belt to know whether or not the cotton ball she is taking out of the medication bottle is harmful or not to your child. And it wasn't! You didn't report any side effects...such as a rash or the like there after
But as mentioned also, if you do not approve of such behavior, then report it to the manager. I am sure you will get a more stiff replacement that will not bother with trying to make your child's experience a bit more positive...Last edit by Beautiful Mind RN on Dec 30, '12
8Dec 30, '12 by rnwizI would be furious if nurse wipped granny's behind in front of the child and asked the husband to help turn her on her side but the nurse's action of trying to entertain your son in a scarry environment was kind'a cute... IMO...Last edit by rnwiz on Dec 30, '12
14Dec 30, '12 by sixela21Quote from canned_breadUsually, symptoms of allergies to preservatives in foods/oral medications do not manifest themselves unless a sufficient amount to cause a reaction is actually ingested. Unless he has some sort of rare allergy, (which she obviously did not state) it would not affect his skin or system significantly simply by her lightly "feathering" his nose with a cotton ball that may contain at most, a very minuscule amount of residue of whatever preservative he may be allergic to.It's unprofessional, even if it was just vitamin C or something, what if the little boy was allergic to the preservative? It sounds like she just wasn't thinking. That kind of behaviour I would report, if I felt inclined to, to the NUM or DON, not to the nursing board.
That's like me saying that I am allergic to MSG or high fructose corn syrup and someone "tickled" my nose with the lid of a can of Pringle potato chips or the wrapper of a piece of candy, causing me to break out in pus-filled blisters and hives before going into anaphylactic shock and dying a horrible death. Come on now--please do not entertain this rubbish.Last edit by sixela21 on Dec 30, '12
6Dec 30, '12 by M/B-RNSeems like you are making mountains out of mole hills. Not to be mean, but as women we can be very dramatic sometimes for no reason. This sounds like it is one of your times.
Oh and by the way only bottles of pills or tablets have cotton. If it is an oral suspension or something of that sort that comes in powder form it would not have cotton inside the bottle.
10Dec 30, '12 by violetgirlQuote from canned_breadReally? Come on... Is this what nursing has come down to? Did this little child have a sad look in his face, a tear in the eye, or worst... A soft touch to ease his fear most likely! Mom has a problem with this... Did she or the husband ever speak to the nurse face-to-face? Hum, my gut tells me she was a pretty one! Did the child jump back in fear of the on-coming big fluffy cotton ball? Something tells me there is way more to this story that meets the eye! Sounds very strange to me! Next, a nurse will lose his or her job for smiling, coughing, and/or touching an arm to comfort ones fear! Really... 1-800-wha-whaaIt's unprofessional, even if it was just vitamin C or something, what if the little boy was allergic to the preservative? It sounds like she just wasn't thinking. That kind of behaviour I would report, if I felt inclined to, to the NUM or DON, not to the nursing board.Last edit by violetgirl on Dec 30, '12 : Reason: Forgot phone #
3Dec 30, '12 by jadelpn, LPN, EMT-B GuideI think that these are some harsh answers. Parents do get overprotective of their children, and most especially when Mom is not present. Seriously. Hence why perhaps if one is sensitive to someone touching their child, no matter how well intended(and some parents are) re-think visits when Mom is not there to "supervise". The child perhaps should not be running up to a med cart to begin with. Not sure how many nurses bring entire unopened bottles of anything into a patient's room, open it, take out the cotton, etc. This is all done, in my experience, at a med cart, so apparently the child was doing a bit of "exploring"? This is totally assuming, and I was not there, but neither was Mom, so you can not and should not report a nurse for something you were not a party to. And what Dad is going to say "Junior was getting restless so I let him wander". The child is unharmed I am assuming, make note for next time that all visits to Gram are going to be done with you present, or the kids stay home with you and let hubby go visit his grandmother. I get that you are upset, but an experiment that often works for me is, ask your husband again exactly what occured and you will get a)more details that were not initially apparent and b) the exploring child grabbed the cotton--most likely from the trash--and the nurse was trying to take it away from him/her or something of that nature. Kids are curious, they like to explore, and they get really, really bored really, really quickly when visiting over the holidays (or any time, really).
9Dec 30, '12 by babyNP., MSN, APRNYou're having an overreaction to this. I'm sorry that your husband's grandma is in a nursing home. It must be hard for him and you to see her like this. But you cannot take it out on the nurses taking care of her. It's not right to that nurse... you can usually seek EAP at most employments for counseling if this is affecting you this badly about this "incident."
8Dec 30, '12 by sunny3811Thank you for the laugh this morning!
OP: Are you kidding me!!! Get a grip! Get a life!! Seriously!!
I work LTC, and I cringe when I see little ones come into the facility because that means within a couple of days some of the Resident's will be sick with either a stomach bug or URI.
Leave that nurse alone! As others have stated she was just trying to make your child feel more comfortable.
Have a good day! Some of the responses seriously made me laugh out loud very loud!!
3Dec 30, '12 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorI think we need to be respectful of each others opinions and feelings.
Here at AN.....we promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.
Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.
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OP......I can understand your frustration and fear about this nurses behavior.....if someone swiped my child's face with the cotton from a med bottle I'd be outraged! But.....are you sure they are a "nurse" many LTC facilities use med techs to pass meds. Yes there are some "chemolike"meds like methotrexate and tamoxifen, to name 2, that do not belong around children.
Regardless of what med it is inappropriate and unprofessional.
The real concern is this person's behavior and I would take this up with the DON/CEO of the facility. I suppose you could go to the board.....but the board may not find this sufficient evidence to investigate....that is even if they are licensed personnel. After you speak to the DON/CEO and you do not receive satisfactory responses I would hurt them in their pockets.....report them to the Joint Commission.
I wish you the best.